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The_Naa #41 Posted 21 August 2019 - 09:31 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 August 2019 - 09:24 AM, said:

Thanks for the heads up. :great:

Now I just have to go home and take it for a spin. 



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View PostThe_Naa, on 21 August 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

Thanks for the heads up. :great:

Now I just have to go home and take it for a spin. 

 

Good morning and congrats on the new toy. I hope you'll like it! :)

 

 


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 21 August 2019 - 09:37 AM.


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View Posttajj7, on 21 August 2019 - 09:29 AM, said:

It's £25, that has to be the cheapest tier 8 heavy premium ever no? 

looks like it is £28 for me but stil cheaper than some of the tier 8 mediums. I would still not buy it because no more money for WG and I am also not grinding that line so it is pointless.



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #44 Posted 21 August 2019 - 09:44 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 21 August 2019 - 09:29 AM, said:

It's £25, that has to be the cheapest tier 8 heavy premium ever no? 

 

You're right

it's very cheap for what it's meant to be



XxKuzkina_MatxX #45 Posted 21 August 2019 - 09:45 AM

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QB's review...

 

 

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Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 21 August 2019 - 10:27 AM.


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View PostMeNoobTank, on 21 August 2019 - 08:43 AM, said:

looks like it is £28 for me but stil cheaper than some of the tier 8 mediums. I would still not buy it because no more money for WG and I am also not grinding that line so it is pointless.

 

Interesting its more, are they doing personalised offers? 

 

It's hilariously over £10 cheaper than a T-34 or IS-6, it's also cheaper than the 50tp protoype offer I have from I think from twitch, which is 15% off. 



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Funny how QB compared it with VK100, Lowe and Mauerbrecher but no mention of Tiger 2.

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View Postmtnm, on 21 August 2019 - 09:45 AM, said:

Funny how QB compared it with VK100, Lowe and Mauerbrecher but no mention of Tiger 2.

Probably because Tiger 2 isn't a superheavy like VK, Löwe and Mauer.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 11 August 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

 

Well, this post is all over the place so i will pick some interesting stuff...

 

  • The engine deck is 30mm on the Defender vs. 40mm on this tank although i don't exactly know what does that have to do with anything? I did note in my post that the engine deck is overmatched by 121mm guns and above.
  • Very few tier 8 tanks have a chance against tier 9 and 10 tanks. None against tier 9s and 10s gold spam.
  • It's more like a VKB with a stock turret at tier 8 than the Chrysler. It's slower than the Chrysler with lower specific power but higher standard pen and alpha so it got potential as a credit maker.

 

- 30mm Defender engine deck is so small nobody can hit it reliably, Rear turret tanks have engine deck size of aircraft carrier.

 (I think he was talking about the Turret roof, that is overmatchable on every german tank, but all "new"/Soviet tanks have it 55mm+ (Defender, IS-M, Centurion, etc++)

 (( I am not 100% certain, but I think this Vk75 does not have overmatchable roof, I think it is different from Tiger2/E75/VKB, I think it is 50mm+ ))

- Very few... but few do have armor better than others, armor that can resist even Tier10 HEAT spam better than others... (Defender, etc..)

- Tier8 Chrysler Turret is stronger / better turret than full upgraded Tier9 VKB turret.

(VKB/E75 are 2 Tier9 "Heavy" Tanks with bad (if not the worst) Turret armor/shape in this game)

 

And if you discard the Gun, Vk75 has very similar shape to Chrysler,

VK75 has better Pen and Alpha, Chrysler has better gun-softstats and DPM.

VK75 has worse mobility, Chrysler has MUCH Better Turret.

 

If you run full-gold Chrysler - it is "the same tank" only better in every way, 490 Alpha is overhyped, JPZE100 shows us how "BIG ALPHA" is garbage if you cant hit anything and reload for a minute.

You will have same "Death By HE", Arty + Fire on engine deck, stray shells will splash / Overmatch engine, HEAT will cut that "Armor" like butter, this is no Defender that can bounce JPZ-E100 HEAT.

 

No "MAGIC" side armor: The first second you show your side to anybody it is Auto-Pen, BIG and FLAT. This tank has zero "Magic" parts that will save you from shells coming from the side,

No magic SPACED 30mm STALINIUM, no UK "Magic" Fantasy 250mm bulges, no magic V-shape hull auto-bounce angles, no HEAT-Shield, no "round bouncy turret shape", no magic "This part of tank is not hitbox" parts...

 

Darki played it on stream already and told it is crappy same as E75TS, you can not get any German heavy to be better than 'Defender' in this game.

 

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Edited by Innapropriate_Username, 21 August 2019 - 12:47 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 21 August 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

 

Interesting its more, are they doing personalised offers?

 

It's hilariously over £10 cheaper than a T-34 or IS-6, it's also cheaper than the 50tp protoype offer I have from I think from twitch, which is 15% off.

Clearly this must mean the IS6 is a ( € 42,69 / € 30,12 = 1,42) 42% better tank! :ohmy:



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View PostInnapropriate_Username, on 21 August 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

- 30mm Defender engine deck is so small nobody can hit it reliably, Rear turret tanks have engine deck size of aircraft carrier.

 (I think he was talking about the Turret roof, that is overmatchable on every german tank, but all "new"/Soviet tanks have it 55mm+ (Defender, IS-M, Centurion, etc++)

 (( I am not 100% certain, but I think this Vk75 does not have overmatchable roof, I think it is different from Tiger2/E75/VKB, I think it is 50mm+ ))

 

By design yes, tanks with rear mounted turrets do have a large engine deck. I also mentioned that in my first post...

 

"Full disclosure, the engine deck is 40mm so it's overmatch for 121mm guns and above!"

 

The turret roof is mostly 40mm thick except the at the rear of it which is 30mm. There is a 70mm thick part right above the gun, i believe to prevent overmatching the turret roof too easily.

 

View PostInnapropriate_Username, on 21 August 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

- Very few... but few do have armor better than others, armor that can resist even Tier10 HEAT spam better than others... (Defender, etc..)

- Tier8 Chrysler Turret is stronger / better turret than full upgraded Tier9 VKB turret.

(VKB/E75 are 2 Tier9 "Heavy" Tanks with bad (if not the worst) Turret armor/shape in this game)

 

Those two tanks have thick but flat turret frontal armor. Something in the range of 250mm for the E75 and 265mm for the VKB. A 330/340mm HEAT round will go through all the same for any of the above mentioned tanks. :)

 

That's of course not a good measure of how a tier 8 or 9 tank will fare against higher tier tanks but it helps to know at least the reliability of the turret. The surface area, the repeatability of penetrations, the ability to angle the turret, etc.

 

View PostInnapropriate_Username, on 21 August 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

And if you discard the Gun, Vk75 has very similar shape to Chrysler,

VK75 has better Pen and Alpha, Chrysler has better gun-softstats and DPM.

VK75 has worse mobility, Chrysler has MUCH Better Turret.

 

If you run full-gold Chrysler - it is "the same tank" only better in every way, 490 Alpha is overhyped, JPZE100 shows us how "BIG ALPHA" is garbage if you cant hit anything and reload for a minute.

 

But as a premium it's still much better than the Chrysler. If you run full gold in the Chrysler you won't be making any credits while you have more or less the same pen on the gold round for both tanks and with a better alpha on the VK.

 

4800 credits for 320 alpha on the Chrysler or 4800 credits for 490 alpha on the VK with almost the same penetration. You can use full gold in both but you can't do anything about the 198mm pen on the Chrysler.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 21 August 2019 - 01:12 PM.


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I'm on the fence with this tank.

the armour from what I've seen from reviews and the like doesn't seem to reliable, but that alpha man, they've really pushed the line of that.

I really do not know what to think about 490 alpha on a tier VIII HT at that really. It could be a good balancing factor, mind you, but I have my doubts.

 

Really, as long as it is not a better VK100.01P I will be fine and dandy, most of the time anyway



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View Postsamuelx43a, on 21 August 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

I'm on the fence with this tank.

the armour from what I've seen from reviews and the like doesn't seem to reliable, but that alpha man, they've really pushed the line of that.

I really do not know what to think about 490 alpha on a tier VIII HT at that really. It could be a good balancing factor, mind you, but I have my doubts.

 

Really, as long as it is not a better VK100.01P I will be fine and dandy, most of the time anyway

 

If it's Skill's review I wouldn't take just that one because he was IMO overly negative about it after playing terribly in the first 3 games.

 

You can't just drive in the open against multiple tanks, the lower plate is not strong enough, but used correctly it'll bounce a lot to enable you to do a lot of work with 490 alpha.

 

He spent his whole review trashing the armour but after those first games he was bouncing like 2-3k pretty easily including a lot of premium ammo. 



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View Postsamuelx43a, on 21 August 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

I'm on the fence with this tank.

the armour from what I've seen from reviews and the like doesn't seem to reliable, but that alpha man, they've really pushed the line of that.

I really do not know what to think about 490 alpha on a tier VIII HT at that really. It could be a good balancing factor, mind you, but I have my doubts.

 

Really, as long as it is not a better VK100.01P I will be fine and dandy, most of the time anyway

 

Time is one your side. If you don't mind waiting a bit, you'll have more solid data to help you make the right decision. Keep an eye on streams and how the tank really play, how the armor works, how the gun behaves, the DPG, etc. A few days, weeks to make the right choice will never hurt. There are also a lot of future premiums to choose from. :)

 

Note: on the 27th the festival fair starts with a lot of premiums available on sale and you can also add them to the cart and buy any of them later.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 22 August 2019 - 01:54 AM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 August 2019 - 01:05 PM, said:

 

Those two tanks have thick but flat turret frontal armor. Something in the range of 250mm for the E75 and 265mm for the VKB. A 330/340mm HEAT round will go through all the same for any of the above mentioned tanks. :)

 

That's of course not a good measure of how a tier 8 or 9 tank will fare against higher tier tanks but it helps to know at least the reliability of the turret. The surface area, the repeatability of penetrations, the ability to angle the turret, etc.

 

 

The ability to angle the turret. -bingo!

Every Turret that has shape as Tiger2 Turret (E75, VkA, VkB, etc,etc...) - can not be angled.

It is very clear why no other tank after WW2 tried to use that turret shape, slightest little angle and you present flat plate to enemy fire.

And in this game, to make that turret shape effective - front and sides must be so thick it would cause mass panic(as did this VK75 while in supertest)

 

You just can not put ~250mm Flat turret front on Tier8 (or Tier9) HEAVY TANK, while at the same time, you have Fast Tier8 Medium tanks that have over 250-400mm Turret front.

(Well, you can,... and we do have that in the game, but that is not balanced and it is the result of powercreep)

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 August 2019 - 01:05 PM, said:

But as a premium it's still much better than the Chrysler. If you run full gold in the Chrysler you won't be making any credits while you have more or less the same pen on the gold round for both tanks and with a better alpha on the VK.

4800 credits for 320 alpha on the Chrysler or 4800 credits for 490 alpha on the VK with almost the same penetration. You can use full gold in both but you can't do anything about the 198mm pen on the Chrysler.

 

Well if you want to compare tanks by credit earning potential, M4 Rev beats them all, does it make M4 Rev better tank than Centurion 5/1 only because Centurion has expensive ammo with low alpha? :)

Chrysler is old tank today, and there is A LOT of proof that it makes credits just fine, for every Chrysler shot where you must shoot gold with lower alpha - bad gun on VK will make you miss or bounce, and even after the shot you can go take toilet brake for 15seconds while you wait on reload, Chrysler will take 2 shots for every one VK takes. You cant even relocate because it is so slow. And today every game ends with 15-5 in 5minutes, how many 15second reloads can VK make in such short games?

 

Such a long reload would be OK if the tank had the armor to stand in fire and bounce like Defender, but it does not.

It can not compare with Defender not even close - from the front ONLY. And if you compare them from the side or from 45degree angle; when you push, or when you end up in Crossfire..

In VK75 you just end up dead. If this was 2015 OK, maybe.. but it is not. You do not compare this tank with Tiger2 or KV4.

From all the new fast tanks, to new "Magic-Fantasy" tanks with "Magic-Fantasy" armor and stats - I would NOT recommend this tank to anybody.

 

If you want a good Heavy tank get a Defender. If you want rear-mounted turret tank get Chrysler.

If you think this VK75 is a good idea, get Tier9 Vk-B and see how bad it plays in today's meta.

Skill is not somebody who I see as Expert in WoT details, in one stream/review he said that Tiger2 has "Something like 200mm Turret front", he is not bothered with detail numbers like 185, but he does know the game and has good "gut-feeling".

And in his review he is 100% right *(Unlike QB, who has only one mission in life, to push and sell as many premium tanks as possible -no matter the cost!)

 - at 7min. mark of video, perfect example when he goes behind cathedral and gets shredded from 2 sides. (also how much damage HE does to this tank)

In that same position, Defender would bounce every single shot - that is the difference between tanks with old(German)armor layout from game ver9.17 and new Magic Defender from ver1.6+

If you drive German "Heavy" tank and somebody shoots you in the side of the Turret = it is 100% Penetration.  But if you drive the Defender, Turret side armor is from 260mm to Auto-Bounce:

Let me repeat that one more time:

Defender Turret SIDE - has thicker effective armor than VK75/E75 Turret FRONT.

-and that is the reason why "Magic" Side Armor is so important!

If you do not have it - you will have a BAD GAMING EXPERIENCE! ;)

 

..or you can stay with SPGs and snipe from the back, but if you want to play as a HEAVY TANK - push into enemy fire and be aggressive; you need Stalinium armor.

 

"The only armor that matters is one that bounces" - and compared to Defender, Vk7501 fails miserably!



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So...I don't get it. This 128mm Tier 8 Heavy is the same price as KV-2 ® at tier 6? What the ****?

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View Postlime_vortep, on 21 August 2019 - 07:50 PM, said:

So...I don't get it. This 128mm Tier 8 Heavy is the same price as KV-2 ® at tier 6? What the ****?

 

Well i tried Mr. Lime, i tried my best!

 

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 11 August 2019 - 02:12 PM, said:

  • It's more like a VKB with a stock turret at tier 8 than the Chrysler. It's slower than the Chrysler with lower specific power but higher standard pen and alpha so it got potential as a credit maker.
  • Compared to the Lowe:

8mm less standard pen + 170 more alpha = +20 credits/shell ==>> Derp! :D



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Zwhatsh; "I don't really feel the Defender in this one"

Edvin; "No."

Zwhatsh; "Or maybe its just that... like the German tanks are just generally BAD, Edvin."
Zwhatsh; "So like this German Tank appears to be a little better than other German tanks, its just not TERRIBLE,..  its just BAD."

 

German Defender!; Vk75.01 (K) (COLA)Drinking game! :trollface:

Drink 1 shot (of Cola;)) every time Mighty Vk75 armor gets penetrated! (while sidescraping)
Drink 2 shots (of Cola;)) every time Mighty Vk75 490DMG Gun misses a shot!
Drink 3 shots (of Cola;)) every time Mighty Vk75 Engine gets knocked out!

 

Nightmare mode:
Drink 4 shots (of Cola;)) every time they get hit by Arty


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Tbh i got one cause the price is really fair and im a collector and i like big superheavies. the tank itself will probably suck most of the time but im okay with that

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 August 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

Good morning

 

 

 

i don't want to be rude so i say good evening. :)

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 August 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

and congrats on the new toy.

 

thank you. 

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 August 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

I hope you'll like it! :)

 

i do, its amazingly fun to play, even tho i realized after the first 2 games: ''Wow, this tank cant survive on its own at all.''

and immediately called my brother and friend so we could toon and they could watch my back.

we had some coordination issues, when they kept going to the combat a head of me and dying before i got there, so i had to fight alone  :angry:

then they had things to do and i was left alone again :ohmy:

had to tag along with some randoms, they either died before me, faded me or did not come to the place that needed support. (i.a Defending the base so we dont lose by cap) 

but i quickly learned the ways of camping and the basic concept of being a bot. i had few good games by the end of the day. :)

maybe i can be more aggressive with it, when we get the platoon thing working correctly. :P

 

 

i Run: Coated Optics , Rammer and Vents.

 

Gun is reliable when i take my time to aim, snaps are less reliable.

 

Armor works well enough even tho everyone is posting armor models and guides all over the place so they know where to shoot it and usually pre load gold just for me  

because im so important to them and i deserve the best :3 <3

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Engine get knocked down every game. i think i need to contact Porsche to get me a better one.

 

mobility is decent.

 

over all 5/5 personal opinion, a lovely tank.  :)

 

over all 3.5/5, no personal opinion, a balanced tank.

engine should be fixed ASAP 

 

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