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madkobra #1 Posted 11 August 2019 - 10:53 PM

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1- When i am next to a bush(it is transparent) does that bush also give concealment to enemies I am trying to see?

 

2- I back up from a bush 15 meters and it becomes opaque. At that moment, does that bush also give concealment to enemies I am trying to see?


Edited by madkobra, 12 August 2019 - 12:43 AM.


7thSyndicate #2 Posted 11 August 2019 - 11:05 PM

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define give enemies

define see concealment

 

if youre asking if you can spot enemys in the bush or behind the bush yes you can



Nishi_Kinuyo #3 Posted 11 August 2019 - 11:06 PM

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1: No.

2: Yes. Also, it is 15 meters before it becomes opaque, not 3.

This is rather important because a lot of the better TD players use this mechanic to avoid losing their bush-granted camo bonus when firing a shell.

Does make aiming at targets a bit harder though.



kubawt112 #4 Posted 11 August 2019 - 11:11 PM

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Seeing as Nishi_Kinuyo has answered the topic, I would like to state that using bushes is to a portion of the playerbase, deemed hacking.

 

That is all.



EdvinE20 #5 Posted 11 August 2019 - 11:27 PM

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madkobra #6 Posted 12 August 2019 - 12:25 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 12 August 2019 - 01:06 AM, said:

1: No.

2: Yes. Also, it is 15 meters before it becomes opaque, not 3.

This is rather important because a lot of the better TD players use this mechanic to avoid losing their bush-granted camo bonus when firing a shell.

Does make aiming at targets a bit harder though.

So if i want to spot enemies without the bush in front of me giving my enemies camo, i should get close to the bush and make it transparent. When i spot enemies i should go back and fire? 

 

Just to be clear. I am not talking about whether i keep the camo bonus from bush when i fire. I am talking about whether my enemy is getting camo bonus from the bush in front of me. Because the bush is between us. If i am getting camo bonus, he should get too. But according to your answer, the enemy only gets camo bonus from the bush in front of me when the bush is opaque.


Edited by madkobra, 12 August 2019 - 12:35 AM.


TheComfyChair #7 Posted 12 August 2019 - 12:33 AM

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Homer_J #8 Posted 12 August 2019 - 01:26 AM

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View Postmadkobra, on 12 August 2019 - 12:25 AM, said:

So if i want to spot enemies without the bush in front of me giving my enemies camo, i should get close to the bush and make it transparent. When i spot enemies i should go back and fire?

Yes.

 

When the bush is transparent to you it works like a one way mirror unless you fire.



Balc0ra #9 Posted 12 August 2019 - 01:41 AM

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View Postmadkobra, on 12 August 2019 - 12:25 AM, said:

So if i want to spot enemies without the bush in front of me giving my enemies camo, i should get close to the bush and make it transparent. When i spot enemies i should go back and fire? 

 

Just to be clear. I am not talking about whether i keep the camo bonus from bush when i fire. I am talking about whether my enemy is getting camo bonus from the bush in front of me. Because the bush is between us. If i am getting camo bonus, he should get too. But according to your answer, the enemy only gets camo bonus from the bush in front of me when the bush is opaque.

 

Thing is that when you back up 15m, your spotting lines are then hindered by the bush towards any enemy in front, even if they are in the open. But it works both ways. So when you back up and fire, you get the 50% the bush gives, so does your target vs you. So if you stay behind it long enough. They will be despotted if you were the one keeping them spotted and they are in the open. As the bush then reduces your effective spotting range vs his camo % if you will. That again is capped at 80%. So even behind two 50% bushes. It will still only be 80%.

 

 

 

 



OmniWalou #10 Posted 12 August 2019 - 03:33 AM

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Just to remind, when you knock down a tree that is taller than 15m and use it as a camo to spot through, you have to get inside of it slightly to see through it. It doesn't matter if it's showing transparent (as transparency is determined based on how close you are to the object, and it goes fully transparent once you are close enough), if it's taller than 15m you will not spot through it and it will act as camo to you. This is a mistake I see so many do when they knock down tree and try to spot through them.




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