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TheJumpMaster #1 Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:09 PM

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I went to check theVK 75.01 (K) in Tank Inspector at Tank.gg, this is what I received

 

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This tank is a lot more fragile than I thought.



Desyatnik_Pansy #2 Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:12 PM

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Tanks.gg has been bugged for ages due to changes in how they extracted the collision models or something. :P

TheJumpMaster #3 Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:12 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 22 August 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

Tanks.gg has been bugged for ages due to changes in how they extracted the collision models or something. :P


Any idea as to where I should go to see a reliable model?



XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:23 PM

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Well the only working alternative i can offer is this one...

 

https://armor.wotins...les&platform=pc

 

but you probably saw that before!



Laatikkomafia #5 Posted 22 August 2019 - 07:49 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 22 August 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

Tanks.gg has been bugged for ages due to changes in how they extracted the collision models or something. :P

 

After seeing the tank being played, I feel the tanks.gg's model is quite accurate.



NoobySkooby #6 Posted 22 August 2019 - 10:13 PM

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The vid WG put out about it certainly seems a tad miss leading, I do the side scraping thing and it don't seem to work that well, out of the ISM, the Chrysler K, and this, I think the IS-M has the drop on them all.

RamRaid90 #7 Posted 22 August 2019 - 10:21 PM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 22 August 2019 - 09:13 PM, said:

The vid WG put out about it certainly seems a tad miss leading, I do the side scraping thing and it don't seem to work that well, out of the ISM, the Chrysler K, and this, I think the IS-M has the drop on them all.

 

Is-M has shoulders which can be penned easily if you're even a fraction out.

 

THe VK is a stronger side scraper. Just have to side scrape the correct side to avoid showing your cupola and not face the enemy while reloading. Higher tiers can still pen you this way, but not reliably without premium.


Edited by RamRaid90, 22 August 2019 - 10:21 PM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 22 August 2019 - 09:21 PM, said:

 

Is-M has shoulders which can be penned easily if you're even a fraction out.

 

THe VK is a stronger side scraper. Just have to side scrape the correct side to avoid showing your cupola and not face the enemy while reloading. Higher tiers can still pen you this way, but not reliably without premium.

 

this ^ Been playing nothing but the VK 75 for past day, 60 games in it. Better sidescraper than IS-M if you know what you are doing 



RamRaid90 #9 Posted 22 August 2019 - 10:32 PM

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View Postxx984, on 22 August 2019 - 09:24 PM, said:

 

this ^ Been playing nothing but the VK 75 for past day, 60 games in it. Better sidescraper than IS-M if you know what you are doing 

 

I don't have it, not particularly botheredabout having it. But it isn't hard to see how to effectively play it.

 

(Sorry if I reveal something here that'll make your life harder :trollface: )

 

 

At this angle, the roof is your only weakpoint (bearing in mind the lower plate and cupola will be hidden behind your cover) Anything with 122mm+ guns can overmatch the roof.

 

Other than that, without firing premium shells, you aren't getting penned very often.



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View Postxx984, on 22 August 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

this ^ Been playing nothing but the VK 75 for past day, 60 games in it. Better sidescraper than IS-M if you know what you are doing 

 

If the enemy doesn't know what they are doing*



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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 23 August 2019 - 01:05 PM, said:

 

If the enemy doesn't know what they are doing*

 

Leaving aside that 90% of the WOT playerbase doesn't know what it is doing, it doesn't really matter if they do, they can't bypass RNG, so even spamming premium ammo, if the person is sidescraping possibly you have to hit the cheeks flush, if you miss then you will likely bounce. 

 

But also people who know what they are doing tend not to fight 490 alpha heavy tanks in perfect sidescrapes. 



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View Posttajj7, on 23 August 2019 - 01:39 PM, said:

 

Leaving aside that 90% of the WOT playerbase doesn't know what it is doing, it doesn't really matter if they do, they can't bypass RNG, so even spamming premium ammo, if the person is sidescraping possibly you have to hit the cheeks flush, if you miss then you will likely bounce. 

 

But also people who know what they are doing tend not to fight 490 alpha heavy tanks in perfect sidescrapes. 

 

At the angle I pictured the weakest armour (besides the roof overmatch) is around the 250-260mm mark on the very front of the turret, beside the gun mantlet, the cheeks are around 310mm. Even with premium tier VIIIs are not going to pen often.

 

Higher tiers will pen with ease using premium (if they hit the very front of the turret) and the roof overmatch, and it's at that point the VK player should probably realise that they should not even have been in that position in the first place....


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View PostRamRaid90, on 23 August 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

At the angle I pictured the weakest armour (besides the roof overmatch) is around the 250-260mm mark on the very front of the turret, beside the gun mantlet, the cheeks are around 310mm. Even with premium tier VIIIs are not going to pen often.

 

Higher tiers will pen with ease using premium (if they hit the very front of the turret) and the roof overmatch, and it's at that point the VK player should probably realise that they should not even have been in that position in the first place....

 

Exactly like most heavies you need to judge what you are facing and what can pen you, and make decisions from there. 

 

But even if the armour is not working, if you can make good 490 trades you are still going to do decently. 

 

That alpha on a tier 8 heavy, that will bounce some shots, is massive. 



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View Posttajj7, on 23 August 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

Exactly like most heavies you need to judge what you are facing and what can pen you, and make decisions from there. 

 

But even if the armour is not working, if you can make good 490 trades you are still going to do decently. 

 

That alpha on a tier 8 heavy, that will bounce some shots, is massive. 

 

The reload is another thing people seem to be dumbfounded by. Yes 17 seconds is long....but will the enemy tier VII/VIII heavy think it's a long reload when you roll over 600 and he can't do anything back to you?

 

Honestly people have been complaining since the release of the Defender about premiums being OP etc, and to me it seems that their expectations are now too high for premium heavies or heavies in general.

 

Without even owning the VK, I can see that it's a perfectly usable and almost perfectly balanced premium tank. All of them i've come up against have either been played really badly by really bad players, or really well by the above average crowd.



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As for Rear Mounted Tanks, all I have is the 705 and Chrysler Rental, and now this one.....     The 705 I like, the Chrysler I can't really say I do, the 75.01 I can say that I do Like.....       Looking at the Model my first thought was it looked like the WT E100 without the Umbrella Gun Shield and No Autoloader.....     

 

So my first Game I played it as a Surprise for Red and slightly out of View, I got Minsk so that made it Easier to find a Spot along the Zero Line....     Next Game I got Paris and kept with the Surprise Package Idea and Covered the Mid from the 2nd Street up so I could Pop anyone Crossing and any TD's that Lit and this too worked Well.....     3rd Game was Sand River and our Heavies went to the Hill in the North Corner, at that point I called Time of Death and just Waited out the End...

 

If you can Park in a Spot that is a Heavy Traffic Zone and keep the Nose Covered, it really is Tough to beat it with that Hammer it has for a Gun....     Even if you're Forced to Retreat, Backing Out while slightly Angled it's still a Tough Customer....      So far the one thing it doesn't do that most Germans do Well, is Long Range Shooting of any Sort.....       

 

Sand River was a Perfect Example as was Minsk along the Zero Line....       Longer Mid Range Shots are OK, they will Hit and generally Pen, even on the AP....     Sniping right now is Out of the Question....

 

I'm still waiting for Himmelsdorf or Prok to pop up, I have a Plan for Prok I want to Test Out, Himmels is a No Brainer for my First Stop....        Beyond those VERY Few Pub Games, I have only had it out a Couple times in Frontline and the First was a Disaster as I had it Out of the Garage too soon....      The Second fared Better as it was End of Game and I qas in a Good Position to Defend Turret 1....      It doesn't do Well in the Open Alone, it doesn't Push Alone, it needs Back Up Support in nearly every Circumstance until it's Backed into a Corner.....        



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View PostTheJumpMaster, on 22 August 2019 - 06:09 PM, said:

I went to check theVK 75.01 (K) in Tank Inspector at Tank.gg, this is what I received

 

TankGG.png

This tank is a lot more fragile than I thought.

This model is about accurate how it is the game



Jumping_Turtle #17 Posted 24 August 2019 - 07:35 AM

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I kinda like mine. It is just a VKB a tier lower. Good tank for bouncing missions. And found a use for decals for the first time.

 



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View PostRamRaid90, on 23 August 2019 - 03:27 PM, said:

 

The reload is another thing people seem to be dumbfounded by. Yes 17 seconds is long....but will the enemy tier VII/VIII heavy think it's a long reload when you roll over 600 and he can't do anything back to you?

 

Honestly people have been complaining since the release of the Defender about premiums being OP etc, and to me it seems that their expectations are now too high for premium heavies or heavies in general.

 

Without even owning the VK, I can see that it's a perfectly usable and almost perfectly balanced premium tank. All of them i've come up against have either been played really badly by really bad players, or really well by the above average crowd.

 

 

 

 


Edited by NoobySkooby, 24 August 2019 - 09:02 AM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 22 August 2019 - 10:21 PM, said:

 

Is-M has shoulders which can be penned easily if you're even a fraction out.

 

THe VK is a stronger side scraper. Just have to side scrape the correct side to avoid showing your cupola and not face the enemy while reloading. Higher tiers can still pen you this way, but not reliably without premium.

Unless you crawl in hole for the first 5 Minutes everyone is going to pen you since everyone loads gold, at least 5-10 rounds, playing t 32 top turret hull down and getting penned through the front turret plating, hatch hidden (thats 298 mm plate if you are unaware), yeah awesome people sure only shoot gold on occasion. One of WoT golden myths. Oh I forgot its called "skill" these days to load your entire rack with gold.   


Edited by warsinger2, 24 August 2019 - 09:24 AM.


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View Postwarsinger2, on 24 August 2019 - 08:20 AM, said:

Unless you crawl in hole for the first 5 Minutes everyone is going to pen you since everyone loads gold, at least 5-10 rounds, playing t 32 top turret hull down and getting penned through the front turret plating, hatch hidden (thats 298 mm plate if you are unaware), yeah awesome people sure only shoot gold on occasion. One of WoT golden myths. Oh I forgot its called "skill" these days to load your entire rack with gold.   

 

Unless you're really bad, and play like a fool, you are not getting penned with every shell, EVEN with premium.






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