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Vaarinpolkka #1 Posted 27 August 2019 - 12:26 PM

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The acceleration of the tank is too slow, considering that the tanks slows down every time you hit some kind of obstacle due to its weight.

Reload time is just horrible, lowering the reload time from 30sec to 20 or 15sec would be much better, then you could actually kill the enemy spg's and be a better support for your team.

Are these demands too high? I dont think so.


Edited by Vaarinpolkka, 27 August 2019 - 01:02 PM.


Jethro_Grey #2 Posted 27 August 2019 - 12:29 PM

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I am pretty sure that WG won't hesitate to puff the Even 90, doesn't cost them anything. 

I highly doubt they will buff it tho.



TankkiPoju #3 Posted 27 August 2019 - 12:36 PM

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What I don't really understand is the piss poor gun handling of EVEN 90.

 

It is super annoying to make drive by shooting where 2 or of 3 shells either hit ground or fly to Moon.



Balc0ra #4 Posted 27 August 2019 - 12:56 PM

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Everyone complained about the reload before it arrived. But unlike the UK lights, most now understand why they have that low. But... IMO reload buff is not what it needs. Having 2K dpm and a 15 sec reload on it would be a tad silly. If anything it just needs the same alpha as the ELC to name one. As 20 more pr shot won't break it, and 320 HE alpha to take out arty. That and as pointed out above, gun handling. Mobility is fine, as small lights like that all have the same issue with brick walls etc slowing them down.

Panzerfighter_ #5 Posted 27 August 2019 - 01:56 PM

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Why should they buff it, its in the top 3 of the best spoter in this game. If they would buff his firepower it would become op.

Retro_Drops #6 Posted 27 August 2019 - 02:00 PM

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View PostPanzerfighter_, on 27 August 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

Why should they buff it, its in the top 3 of the best spoter in this game. If they would buff his firepower it would become op.

 

what this guy^ said.

 

i have recently brought it and its fine as is.



Mannanan #7 Posted 27 August 2019 - 02:34 PM

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Someone asked for PzIc/Luchs at T8? Do we really want it? Bad gun handling forces to play this tank close range and it is well suited for it. It is good as it is. There is a range of LTs which can suit your playstyle better. Do you want high alpha? DPM? Gun handling? Shorter magazine reload? Armor? Choose one you wish. Even has a specific and fun gameplay. Ask WG to tweak it and they will ruine it. Guaranteed.

 

4nt #8 Posted 27 August 2019 - 03:23 PM

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View PostMannanan, on 27 August 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

Someone asked for PzIc/Luchs at T8? Do we really want it? Bad gun handling forces to play this tank close range and it is well suited for it. It is good as it is. There is a range of LTs which can suit your playstyle better. Do you want high alpha? DPM? Gun handling? Shorter magazine reload? Armor? Choose one you wish. Even has a specific and fun gameplay. Ask WG to tweak it and they will ruine it. Guaranteed.

 

So much this. That WG somewhat managed to actually buff Japanese meds and leo1 doesn't really make up for f-ups of past whenever 'buffing' any non-soviet tank.



pecopad #9 Posted 27 August 2019 - 03:33 PM

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They have, they introduced the British lights...

 

Also, although I don't have the ELC, I actually think its a good tank right now, no Buffs needed



RockyRoller #10 Posted 27 August 2019 - 05:14 PM

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View PostVaarinpolkka, on 27 August 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

The acceleration of the tank is too slow, considering that the tanks slows down every time you hit some kind of obstacle due to its weight.

Reload time is just horrible, lowering the reload time from 30sec to 20 or 15sec would be much better, then you could actually kill the enemy spg's and be a better support for your team.

Are these demands too high? I dont think so.

 

Just make it better than a WV



feoffle3 #11 Posted 27 August 2019 - 05:18 PM

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Get to the back of the queue, behind the British lights.

Codename_Jelly #12 Posted 27 August 2019 - 05:35 PM

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GIVE US BACK OUR BELOVED ELC TIER 5 Tech Tree Frenchie NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

 

Got nerfed so hard.


Edited by Codename_Jelly, 27 August 2019 - 05:36 PM.


Mr_Burrows #13 Posted 27 August 2019 - 06:39 PM

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Agree with OP....

 

It needs a buff. It gets outaccelerated by an IS6, run over by a Progetto, paced by an 432, and has no chance in hell against a wheelie. 

Still adore mine, my most played tank by far, but it sure need something to be actually competitive. Either a speed buff, a gun buff, a mobility (not loose speed when turning or going through tough obstacles like chairs and coffee tables... and yeah it actually does that! ) buff, a gun accuracy buff, or a dpm buff. 

 

But I will keep on playing mine. I run strong coffee, and improved equipment... 


Edited by Mr_Burrows, 27 August 2019 - 06:39 PM.


24doom24 #14 Posted 27 August 2019 - 06:54 PM

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Buff the ELC-AMX first and then the EVEN 90 will be considered.

Mr_Burrows #15 Posted 27 August 2019 - 07:51 PM

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View Post24doom24, on 27 August 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:

Buff the ELC-AMX first and then the EVEN 90 will be considered.

 

I so wish, but the old ELC is dead and will never come back. Was the most fun tank in game, had a completely unique playstyle that was absolutely wonderful. Only tank I 3-marked. I miss it sorely. 



vp56 #16 Posted 28 August 2019 - 02:00 AM

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The reality is that it is performing well for literally every player level. This has been the trend since it was released. Even though almost nobody is giving it credit it has since its release been the best light tank of tier 8 for all player levels and one of the best light tanks in the game in terms of raw performance. Since LT-432 was released they have roughly shared the top spot. Yes, the gun handling is bad but it's a minmax tank with truly exceptional camo and needs to have some balancing factor.


The ones claiming it is slow are wrong. It doesn't get out-accelerated by an IS-6 and although it isn't a rocket it comfortably accelerates to its top speed of 70km/h on most terrains which is all you need. That's a very good top speed and the tank generally achieves it. I don't see any problem at all with the mobility - whatever matchmaking you get you always have one of the fastest tanks in the game and the only vehicles that have a noticeable mobility advantage over you are the wheeled vehicles that outclass any LT in mobility.

 

Furthermore it has -9 gun depression which feels more like -11 because the tank is so tiny that it can use almost any terrain. 660 burst damage is very nice for farming distracted enemies. The gun handling is bad but even if you hit 2/3 shots it's still 440 damage in a nice burst. This is what this tank is all about - get into a good position, clip an enemy and use the reload to organize your next play. The ELC EVEN is literally the best tank in the game when it comes to positioning and if you know how to take advantage of that it's a very fun and competitive tank.

 

Here is ELC EVEN's performance curve. Now tell me exactly why it needs a buff:

 

For reference here is the performance graph of the highly overrated M41 GF that many delusional people still deem "overpowered" because it has high DPM even though the bad burst damage, bad penetration and the lack of a high velocity shell make it never get anywhere near its theoretical DPM. You know, the tank that everyone says is great but almost nobody is doing particularly well with.

 

 


Edited by vp56, 28 August 2019 - 02:04 AM.


NoobySkooby #17 Posted 28 August 2019 - 02:23 AM

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View PostPanzerfighter_, on 27 August 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

Why should they buff it, its in the top 3 of the best spoter in this game. If they would buff his firepower it would become op.

I have it too, drive to a convenient bush, spotted immediately, die within three minutes, spotting is not an option as it is too slow, pew gun bounces off everything may aswell not have a gun for all the use it is, fine if you like it, but now the meta is Russian OP'ness in the LT 342 or whatever it is, I do not know of one single map where you can find a bush and remain unspotted,even with camo crew skills and camo net. Yes it needs a buff, as someone else said though, it ain't going to get one.


Edited by NoobySkooby, 28 August 2019 - 02:24 AM.


Ricky_Baby #18 Posted 28 August 2019 - 06:47 AM

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TankkiPoju #19 Posted 28 August 2019 - 07:47 AM

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Yeah some people still meme about M41 90mm being OP, I don't know what they are smoking. Maybe some special blend from 2014.

 

Since then Progettos, Panteras and Skoda T27s came.

 

T-44-100 has the same power to weight and ground resistances as M41 90mm, and pretty much same agility. Because reasons.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 28 August 2019 - 07:49 AM.


Gruff_ #20 Posted 28 August 2019 - 02:07 PM

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It fits the niche of small size high camo well, any buffs to speed and gun would bring it into op territory having played against it, not owning it appears well balanced as is.




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