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splash_time #1 Posted 31 August 2019 - 11:41 AM

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Is it only me? Or you guys think that these tanks took too long time already?...

I mean, they both doesn't need firepower or mobility buffs, only armor.

I mean, all they have to do is to increase E100's frontal armor from 250 mm up to 280-290 mm.

And IS 4, from 140 mm, up to 170 mm, they'll just be fine, we're not asking for new OP tanks, right?

So why they really don't just set them up?

Anyone have news or informations about them from sandbox test?



Dava_117 #2 Posted 31 August 2019 - 11:45 AM

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View Postsplash_time, on 31 August 2019 - 11:41 AM, said:

Is it only me? Or you guys think that these tanks took too long time already?...

I mean, they both doesn't need firepower or mobility buffs, only armor.

I mean, all they have to do is to increase E100's frontal armor from 250 mm up to 280-290 mm.

And IS 4, from 140 mm, up to 170 mm, they'll just be fine, we're not asking for new OP tanks, right?

So why they really don't just set them up?

Anyone have news or informations about them from sandbox test?

 

No, IMO both don't need particular armour buff, especially on frontal armour.

IS-4 armour is the only thing that works. It need far better gun handling, better DPM and at least 10 more shell in the ammo rack.

E100 needs better soft stats on stabilization while moving the turret, so it get better suited to angling the turret, and maybe 20mm on both turret and hull sides, to be better at sidescrape. It also would be good to change gun caliber from 150 to 150.2mm, to overmatch 50mm plates. Nothing more is needed IMO.


Edited by Dava_117, 31 August 2019 - 11:51 AM.


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WG is probably still collecting battle statsfrom those tanks. I guess devtime on developing prem tanks is delaying changes to those tanks too.

splash_time #4 Posted 31 August 2019 - 11:57 AM

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View PostDava_117, on 31 August 2019 - 02:15 PM, said:

 

No, IMO both don't need particular armour buff, especially on frontal armour.

IS-4 armour is the only thing that works. It need far better gun handling, better DPM and at least 10 more shell in the ammo rack.

E100 needs better soft stats on stabilization while moving the turret, so it get better suited to angling the turret, and maybe 20mm on both turret and hull sides, to be better at sidescrape. It also would be good to change gun caliber from 150 to 150.2mm, to overmatch 50mm plates. Nothing more is needed IMO.

 

IMO, if they wanna fix the gun, they can decrease the alpha from 750 down to 650, and give it a proper reload and dpm.

And if they wanna keep the alpha, then they should give it more armor to stand while reloading and block some gold rounds, and more pen for standard shells(something like 259) so it can play with standard shells instead of spamming HEAT.

 

Edit: correct my opinion if you have better ideas.


Edited by splash_time, 31 August 2019 - 12:02 PM.


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View Postsplash_time, on 31 August 2019 - 11:57 AM, said:

 

IMO, if they wanna fix the gun, they can decrease the alpha from 750 down to 650, and give it a proper reload and dpm.

And if they wanna keep the alpha, then they should give it more armor to stand while reloading and block some gold rounds.

 

Armour is really not the point of E100, it's there to give some bounce chance and increase the good survivability a bit more but, the whole tank is based on trading with the high alpha. You poke, erase 750 HP from and enemy, angle the turret to minimize incoming fire pen chance and get in cover again. Rinse and repeat. There are very few enemy that can sustain trading with an E100. And thanks to the awesome HE shell, you can trade even against hulldown tanks. I would take the 20mm more side over any turret front buff, as sidescraping works far better than hulldown for german HTs.



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View PostDava_117, on 31 August 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

 

Armour is really not the point of E100, it's there to give some bounce chance and increase the good survivability a bit more but, the whole tank is based on trading with the high alpha.

 

I know how to play E 100 since it was my first T10, but, the problem is, the enemies won't come one by one so you trade damage, you turn your turret, take 3 hits(1130 damage for example), and you deal only 756.... I mean, we all know how e 100 can perform if it can really trade 1 by 1, you will absolutely lose against it, but sadly, no, it's 3 or 4 vs 1 most of the time(i mean all zoom on you).



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I do not agree with armor buffs. 

 

Both need gun impovements.

On E-100 I would also do some DPM and aim time buffs to the 128 mm gun so that it becomes a viable option. The big gun should also get slightly better DPM and better soft stats. Other than that I think the tank is good. After the Special shell rebalance the armor will work just fine. It now suffer from "gold spam".

 

On IS-4 the only armor buff that I would do is removing the roof weakspot and I would do that only because WG decided that on Obj 260 that same weak spot should be removed. So why not to IS-4 too ?

Then the gun should be atleast on T-10 level of gun handling (which is a tier 9 tank btw with better handling and same gun) and buff to DPM by reducing the reload time. Alpha is ok I have no problems with 440, penetration is enough with 258 AP and 340 HEAT.

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 I know how to play E 100 since it was my first T10, but, the problem is, the enemies won't come one by one so you trade damage, you turn your turret, take 3 hits(1130 damage for example), and you deal only 756.... I mean, we all know how e 100 can perform if it can really trade 1 by 1, you will absolutely lose against it, but sadly, no, it's 3 or 4 vs 1 most of the time(i mean all zoom on you).

 

And how is that a problem of the armor ? Why would you go 1 vs 3 ? A DPM buff will kinda solve that too. Also the special ammo reblanace so you are not focused anymore because gold ammo will reduce DPM.


Edited by MeNoobTank, 31 August 2019 - 12:17 PM.


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View Postsplash_time, on 31 August 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

 

I know how to play E 100 since it was my first T10, but, the problem is, the enemies won't come one by one so you trade damage, you turn your turret, take 3 hits(1130 damage for example), and you deal only 756.... I mean, we all know how e 100 can perform if it can really trade 1 by 1, you will absolutely lose against it, but sadly, no, it's 3 or 4 vs 1 most of the time(i mean all zoom on you).

 

Then the problem is more on you picking the wrong fight.

IS-4 and E100 are my only tier 10 and, while IS-4 is quite sad, as can work only as a punching bag, E100 is actually a tank I really enjoy. I allways make sure to have support covering me so, if the enemys try to rush me or simply shoot a second shell during my reload, they get punished hard. I may have lost another shell of HP, but they lost even more due to my team. It still a positive trade. One of the first rule I learned using superheavy tanks is never going anywere alone. And in that terms E100 works wonder: put in a platoon a Maus for tanking damage and an E100 to dish damage out, and you can hold a chockepoint for the whole match! :)



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View PostMeNoobTank, on 31 August 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

And how is that a problem of the armor ? Why would you go 1 vs 3 ? A DPM buff will kinda solve that too. Also the special ammo reblanace so you are not focused anymore because gold ammo will reduce DPM.

 

No, you didn't understand me, when you face enemies and your teammates beside you, enemy will just pick easy targets first, so, even if you wait until they reload or ricochet of you, they'll focuse on you after all, large turret. So, it's not related to gameplay, but just the armour.

Edit: Only if you wait behind, until your teammates rush then you join, which my gameplay was to never face hull down tanks(even if I'm the top tier) and try other side which i can win through it.


Edited by splash_time, 31 August 2019 - 12:27 PM.


LIL_Veky #10 Posted 31 August 2019 - 01:29 PM

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i would remove the hitbox on e100's view port and remove is-4's roof weakspot. everything else is alright on those tanks

Balc0ra #11 Posted 31 August 2019 - 01:46 PM

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E100 was first planned for a rebalance when the gold ammo change was done. And we know it's still in their sights for buffs as it was quickly mentioned at Gamescom. As for the IS-4. Do they still know what they want to do with it? As it's gone in and out of different ideas, swap plans, buffs etc for a bit "back when the Foch 155 changes was planned". Not really heard anything about it for ages.

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They did said that they first see how the premium ammo rework will go before touching those tanks because they will also be affected by the changes (if and when they'll happen).

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They need to buff the turret - end of story. All other buffs might as well be thrown out of a window. A superheavy with what is basically free damage for a turret is utterly useless in todays game.

4nt #14 Posted 31 August 2019 - 08:04 PM

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Everytime someone complains about e100 and somesuch turrets being butter I just wish Id sometimes would get those e100s instead of those that bounce 340 HEAT all game long. Then I realized- it appears I meet more players with e100 wr of 52+ and usually overall of 53 and above... I wish more enemy e100 players of the calibre coming to forums to complain. No, actually I demand to meet more forumites (not The turtle tho)

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From gamescom 2019 Q&A:

 

Alexey Ilyin: I would like to talk about specific vehicles, because at the previous WG Fest we announced a change in the tops of five great lines and we have already done the Kranvagn, STB-1 and Leopard 1 rebalance, which we are happy with, and the reason we are waiting with IS-4 and The E-100 relies on changes in shells that will affect them much more than the three already changed. Also first we want to change it and then see what the change in their performance will be and adjust them later. We remember them, we know that we should focus on them, but we will do it only after changes in ammunition.

 

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http://forum.worldof...1#entry17173581



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View Postundutchable80, on 01 September 2019 - 01:31 AM, said:

From gamescom 2019 Q&A:

 

Alexey Ilyin: I would like to talk about specific vehicles, because at the previous WG Fest we announced a change in the tops of five great lines and we have already done the Kranvagn, STB-1 and Leopard 1 rebalance, which we are happy with, and the reason we are waiting with IS-4 and The E-100 relies on changes in shells that will affect them much more than the three already changed. Also first we want to change it and then see what the change in their performance will be and adjust them later. We remember them, we know that we should focus on them, but we will do it only after changes in ammunition.

 

Full notes by xkuzkina-matxx

http://forum.worldof...1#entry17173581

Thank you my friend.

And how can i find this Q&A of WoT? Twitch?



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View Postsplash_time, on 01 September 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:

Thank you my friend.

And how can i find this Q&A of WoT? Twitch?

 

Probably Twitch, but also The Daily Bounce or The Armored Patrol post them. 



Mr_Burrows #18 Posted 01 September 2019 - 02:08 PM

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IS-4... is that tank even worth considering? It has been rendered so obsolete I actually smirk when I se one in game. 

Inappropriate_noob #19 Posted 01 September 2019 - 02:16 PM

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Lol the E 100 is in my sites and as an eventual upgrade, but all these wanting buffs means it will probably be nerfed like the Type 5.

 

That said aiming for the top of the tree is both so slow, and there is always, always something else to distract you, so it maybe a long time before she is in my garage, along wit both top tier American TD's



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View PostMr_Burrows, on 01 September 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:

IS-4... is that tank even worth considering? It has been rendered so obsolete I actually smirk when I se one in game. 

 

I find it workable. People tend to overeact about how bad it is, when it is actually not. If you find yourself on a city map at close range fighting can still do a pretty good job.






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