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prskanje #1 Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:37 PM

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I've been trying my darn hardest to make this tank work, but it's impossible.

 

Let's look at the pros:

 

- Good gun depression

- Awesome penetration if 90mm is used

- Kind of mobile with top engine

 

Now, the cons:

 

- Big profile

- No turret armor / no hull down capabilities (penned by tier 4)

- No hull armor / no sidescraping capabilities (penned by tier 4)

- Easily penetratable by SPGs

- Gun dispersion is huge

- Aiming time is huge, even with GLD

- Forced to choose between lower DPM and high pen, or lower pen - slightly higher DPM, which is again, horrible compared to other tier 6 HTs.

 

The best place to take this tank is a ridge line, right? Can't do that either - first you'll get penned straight through the mantlet, and then you'll miss your shot. And get instakilled by an arty.

 

How does one survive this atrocity on tracks? I had more fun playing the B1 instead of this... thing.

 

 



4nt #2 Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:41 PM

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Yeah, well... Having played it for a while now, I guess it'd benefit from equipment and crew skills. The front hull can get occasional bounce as well as turret sides, and sidescrape works against up to equal tier. I use 105 because handling of top 90 is absolute garbage.

It's not really good tank and seems to Be there for player to appreciate t8-tX autoloaders and t9 and X conventional heavies.

barison1 #3 Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:42 PM

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2nd line and trade with the 105, spam some apcr due to 330 alpha aprc instead of 300 alpha ap. try to use ridges somewhat to hide hull

 

was a lovely tank for me, even pre buffs



XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:44 PM

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A bad tank followed by a bad tank and then two more bad tanks. I am sorry!

 

Try to snipe and forget you're a heavy or if you can follow a few heavies from your team and let them tank the shells and peek when the enemy is reloading. Use the 105mm with a lot of gold if you have the credits. At least it got some alpha going for it.

 

Which tank are you going for, the 50B or the AMX 54?



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Another pro is that it looks really cool and is a real historical tank. Played it 5+ years ago, but didn't like it.

Neodymium9 #6 Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:46 PM

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View Postprskanje, on 03 September 2019 - 08:37 PM, said:

I've been trying my darn hardest to make this tank work, but it's impossible.

 

Let's look at the pros:

 

- Good gun depression

- Awesome penetration if 90mm is used

- Kind of mobile with top engine

 

Now, the cons:

 

- Big profile

- No turret armor / no hull down capabilities (penned by tier 4)

- No hull armor / no sidescraping capabilities (penned by tier 4)

- Easily penetratable by SPGs

- Gun dispersion is huge

- Aiming time is huge, even with GLD

- Forced to choose between lower DPM and high pen, or lower pen - slightly higher DPM, which is again, horrible compared to other tier 6 HTs.

 

The best place to take this tank is a ridge line, right? Can't do that either - first you'll get penned straight through the mantlet, and then you'll miss your shot. And get instakilled by an arty.

 

How does one survive this atrocity on tracks? I had more fun playing the B1 instead of this... thing.

 

 


As others have said,use the big gun and spam gold ammo to get extra dpm,it's the same thing with the tier 7.



splash_time #7 Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:47 PM

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French tanks are the same, except LTs and SPG.

Only frontal good armor, otherwise, sides and side scrapping is a joke with French tanks.

 

Edit: i forgot about B C and AMX 30 & 50B


Edited by splash_time, 03 September 2019 - 08:50 PM.


prskanje #8 Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:55 PM

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Well there's a lot of you on the forum tonight, that's for sure.

 

View Post4nt, on 03 September 2019 - 08:41 PM, said:

Yeah, well... Having played it for a while now, I guess it'd benefit from equipment and crew skills. The front hull can get occasional bounce as well as turret sides, and sidescrape works against up to equal tier. I use 105 because handling of top 90 is absolute garbage.

It's not really good tank and seems to Be there for player to appreciate t8-tX autoloaders and t9 and X conventional heavies.

 

The 105 actually has worse gun dispersion by 0.03, so that would be an even bigger nightmare.

A Marder was putting shots through my turret shile I was sidescraping, so I'm dead serious about it not having even the slightest of armor.

 

View Postbarison1, on 03 September 2019 - 08:42 PM, said:

2nd line and trade with the 105, spam some apcr due to 330 alpha aprc instead of 300 alpha ap. try to use ridges somewhat to hide hull

 

was a lovely tank for me, even pre buffs

 

It's now buffed?

Also, as a f2p I'm not really urged to spam gold to have a tank reach certain DPM which is again lower than its counterparts.

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 03 September 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

A bad tank followed by a bad tank and then two more bad tanks. I am sorry!

 

Try to snipe and forget you're a heavy or if you can follow a few heavies from your team and let them tank the shells and peek when the enemy is reloading. Use the 105mm with a lot of gold if you have the credits. At least it got some alpha going for it.

 

Which tank are you going for, the 50B or the AMX 54?

 

I kinda get used to playing bad tanks, but this one is just out of this world.

Going for 50B, the accuracy is my sweet spot.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 03 September 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

A bad tank followed by a bad tank and then two more bad tanks. I am sorry!

Amx m4 45 is actually very good,one of the best tier 7 heavies imho,way better than tiger p,black prince,tiger 1 or the nerfed o-ni.

Yes i said tiger 1,because in this meta alpha damage matters very much,there won't be many situations where you can use the tiger 1's dpm.

 



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View PostNeodymium9, on 03 September 2019 - 11:25 PM, said:

Amx m4 45 is actually very good,one of the best tier 7 heavies imho,way better than tiger p,black prince,tiger 1 or the nerfed o-ni.

Yes i said tiger 1,because in this meta alpha damage matters very much,there won't be many situations where you can use the tiger 1's dpm.

 

 

I agree, damage trading is so important at tier 7, BP is a great example, you reach the battle after ages, and you die because you can't have a good damage trade against AMX M4 or IS if they pen you couple times.



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View Postprskanje, on 03 September 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:

It's now buffed?

Also, as a f2p I'm not really urged to spam gold to have a tank reach certain DPM which is again lower than its counterparts.

while ago tho, midway 2018

 

  • ARL 44 

* Decreased dispersion during movement of the ARL 44 suspension by 13%

   * Decreased dispersion during movement of the ARL 44 bis suspension by 14%

   * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the ARL 44 suspension by 13%

   * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the ARL 44 bis suspension by 14%

   * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 90 mm F3 gun for the ARL 44 turret by 12%

   * Changed the aiming time of the 90 mm F3 gun for the ARL 44 turret from 2.9 s to 2.7 s

   * Changed penetration of the Prf. mle. 1940 shell for the 105 mm Canon 13TR gun from 165 mm to 175 mm

 

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/update101-is-here/



prskanje #12 Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:06 PM

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View Postbarison1, on 03 September 2019 - 09:03 PM, said:

while ago tho, midway 2018

 

  • ARL 44 

* Decreased dispersion during movement of the ARL 44 suspension by 13%

   * Decreased dispersion during movement of the ARL 44 bis suspension by 14%

   * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the ARL 44 suspension by 13%

   * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the ARL 44 bis suspension by 14%

   * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 90 mm F3 gun for the ARL 44 turret by 12%

   * Changed the aiming time of the 90 mm F3 gun for the ARL 44 turret from 2.9 s to 2.7 s

   * Changed penetration of the Prf. mle. 1940 shell for the 105 mm Canon 13TR gun from 165 mm to 175 mm

 

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/update101-is-here/

 

That looks... Extremely painful.



XxKuzkina_MatxX #13 Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:07 PM

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View Postprskanje, on 03 September 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

I kinda get used to playing bad tanks, but this one is just out of this world.

Going for 50B, the accuracy is my sweet spot.

 

Check this tier 9 tank...

 

https://tanks.gg/tank/amx-m4-51

 

This is probably the only tank worth playing in both the french heavy lines.



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View Postbarison1, on 03 September 2019 - 09:03 PM, said:

while ago tho, midway 2018

 

  • ARL 44 

* Decreased dispersion during movement of the ARL 44 suspension by 13%

   * Decreased dispersion during movement of the ARL 44 bis suspension by 14%

   * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the ARL 44 suspension by 13%

   * Decreased dispersion on hull traverse of the ARL 44 bis suspension by 14%

   * Decreased dispersion on turret traverse of the 90 mm F3 gun for the ARL 44 turret by 12%

   * Changed the aiming time of the 90 mm F3 gun for the ARL 44 turret from 2.9 s to 2.7 s

   * Changed penetration of the Prf. mle. 1940 shell for the 105 mm Canon 13TR gun from 165 mm to 175 mm

 

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/update101-is-here/

List is missing the most important thing.

Stock turret is not a barn anymore.



barison1 #15 Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:27 PM

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View PostMeetriX, on 03 September 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

List is missing the most important thing.

Stock turret is not a barn anymore.

it was beautiful :trollface:



Isharial #16 Posted 04 September 2019 - 01:00 AM

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View Postprskanje, on 03 September 2019 - 08:37 PM, said:

I've been trying my darn hardest to make this tank work, but it's impossible.

 

Let's look at the pros:

 

- Good gun depression

- Awesome penetration if 90mm is used

- Kind of mobile with top engine

 

Now, the cons:

 

- Big profile

- No turret armor / no hull down capabilities (penned by tier 4)

- No hull armor / no sidescraping capabilities (penned by tier 4)

- Easily penetratable by SPGs

- Gun dispersion is huge

- Aiming time is huge, even with GLD

- Forced to choose between lower DPM and high pen, or lower pen - slightly higher DPM, which is again, horrible compared to other tier 6 HTs.

 

The best place to take this tank is a ridge line, right? Can't do that either - first you'll get penned straight through the mantlet, and then you'll miss your shot. And get instakilled by an arty.

 

How does one survive this atrocity on tracks? I had more fun playing the B1 instead of this... thing.

 

 


never ever use the 90mm. its bad. its bad on the tank after it, and bad on every other tank that gets it (except for the DCA 30 which is sat on the BDR, as its acceptable on that) ((100mm's are bad too)

they just don't have the aiming time, dispersion or reload to be effective. the pen *is* nice, but its held back by the rest.

 

run the 105mm, a few gold shells, and your good to go. 

 

your a second line support heavy. (ie you weigh a lot) beyond that, your a medium with a bigger gun and a higher HP pool. that's how you use it. don't let the badge fool you into thinking it can take shots, as very few French heavies are any good at that. you wait until something's distracted, and put a high pen round through it. 

you do have the HP but leave taking the shots to something more competent at it! (like a T-150 or something) 

 

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View PostNeodymium9, on 03 September 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:

Amx m4 45 is actually very good,one of the best tier 7 heavies imho,way better than tiger p,black prince,tiger 1 or the nerfed o-ni.

Yes i said tiger 1,because in this meta alpha damage matters very much,there won't be many situations where you can use the tiger 1's dpm.

 


the M4 is a beautiful tank. you did us proud :medal:

 

 



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Great tank, marked it pre-buff, and as long as you avoid huge derps you'll be fine :)

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In My opinion arl44 is best tier6 heavy. Good frontal plate, 223mm pen/330 alpha and -10depression with reasonable mobility. What Else do you need?
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1272 average damage, ~3100wn8 on it. Easy 3marks with 4 shots per game.




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