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25gorowins25 #1 Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:29 PM

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After team damage was changed player behavior has become worrse. Now you get light tanks coming back to push you out of bushes just because you ask them to spot.

 

It's not really that hard to spot for your team is it?

 


Edited by 25gorowins25, 12 September 2019 - 05:34 PM.


8126Jakobsson #2 Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:33 PM

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Why would you need anyone to spot there? You're gonna see any tanks yourself that you would have shots on anyway. 

25gorowins25 #3 Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:35 PM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 12 September 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

Why would you need anyone to spot there? You're gonna see any tanks yourself that you would have shots on anyway. 

 

Every time I spot for myself I get shot. My wn8 is higher when other tanks spot.



spamhamstar #4 Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:49 PM

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View Post25gorowins25, on 12 September 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

After team damage was changed player behavior has become worrse. Now you get light tanks coming back to push you out of bushes just because you ask them to spot.

 

It's not really that hard to spot for your team is it?

Spoiler

 

 

Well you tell us seeing as you spot 0.58 tanks per battle on average, so that's roughly one every other battle.  Maybe wait till you know what you're doing before handing out advice in game.  Just a thought.



Orkbert #5 Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:50 PM

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View Post25gorowins25, on 12 September 2019 - 05:29 PM, said:

 just because you ask them to spot.

 

It's not really that hard to spot for your team is it?

 

 

Umm, in your own screenshot we see you writing "yep, idiots as always" , so much for you just asking them to spot.

 

Also what the others wrote is true, in that location your field of fire is so limited that there is no point in spotting there.

 

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Oh, and I forgot:

 

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 It's not really that hard to spot for your team is it?

 

Actually scouting is one of the most difficult things in this game, even after the removal of the scout MM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Orkbert, 12 September 2019 - 06:00 PM.


FrantisekBascovansky #6 Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:56 PM

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you are calling your teammates idiots, i wouldn't spot for you either

Balc0ra #7 Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:03 PM

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Considering your position, and where the enemy is. You can't hit what he spots behind that church anyway. And once they push far enough you can see them yourself just fine. As a light player I get "it's your job" thrown my way often. Sure it is. But I'm not gonna yolo spot those areas that no one can hit so I can get zero assist tbh. Then my view range is better used elsewhere.

CmdRatScabies #8 Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:12 PM

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Very poor ThinGun attention seeking bait.

arjun69 #9 Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:55 PM

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i spot for the team a lot

Cradle_2_The_Grave #10 Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:28 PM

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Bad players and good players drive lights, but very often those who ask lights to spot for them have no idea what's going on and don't care if the Light tank die. Driving a light tank is not easy and very risky you can die any moment.

 

1st, at the beginning of the match lights rush to get to good positions and often engage in fights against each while meds and TDs would stop and snipe them if they have clear sight. Let's assume exactly 2 same lights then who has better crew or camo skills and everything else and who receives more support from his team kinda survives from the first challenge.

 

2nd, now a light tank has to be sneaky in order to spot without getting spotted, TDs and artas often blind shoot those popular bushes, and sometimes it's easy to say from where you were spotted, for example that bush in Malinovka..

 

3rd, many of the maps are not light friendly, including the one in your screenshot.

 

Do you TDs face these challenges too? No, you don't

You drive safely can always red-line it and safely get into a bush or next to any cover.

 

What pisses me off when driving light and being asked to spot is... when I know for sure that some tanks are pre aimed at me as i check time to time and get spotted, and TDs like you will ask me to go further or leave my current cover, artas and TDs would often trade me so they can score one more shot.

 

But it's true that some light tanks play very wrongly from the beginning they are just not willing to spot and not even giving it a try on some maps that highly relies on lights such as Prokhrovka.


Edited by Cradle_2_The_Grave, 12 September 2019 - 07:30 PM.


Schepel #11 Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:50 PM

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It is a weird game where I dont end up with 3k spotting, no matter what I play. I expect I would do it in arty, too. Red line camping wannabe unicums everywhere, but nobody seems to be willing to make any kind of move.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #12 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:11 PM

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View Post25gorowins25, on 12 September 2019 - 05:29 PM, said:

It's not really that hard to spot for your team is it?

 

Then you go [edited]do it. It's his job to spot, it's not his job to die so you can put in a single shot of damage. 



Dorander #13 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:20 PM

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It isn't his job. It's a game, they can play it any way they like. First you insult them, then you try to tell them what to do. What did you think would happen? If I'd been in that battle, going by that screenshot, I would've agreed with whomever made that comment about it not being his job to suicide scout for you and then reported you for your behaviour.

 

On a sidenote, there's a huge irony about a post like this coming from a person who made a thread about "elitists" whining about how other people play. Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind.


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25gorowins25 #14 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:28 PM

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View PostOrkbert, on 12 September 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

Umm, in your own screenshot we see you writing "yep, idiots as always" , so much for you just asking them to spot.

 

They all went where I couldn't shoot and left the most important flank - so yeah, I call it how I see it.

 

View PostCmdRatScabies, on 12 September 2019 - 06:12 PM, said:

Very poor ThinGun attention seeking bait.

 

Boring

 

View PostCradle_2_The_Grave, on 12 September 2019 - 07:28 PM, said:

 

What pisses me off when driving light and being asked to spot is... when I know for sure that some tanks are pre aimed at me

 

that's your job.

 

View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 12 September 2019 - 08:11 PM, said:

 

Then you go [edited]do it. It's his job to spot, it's not his job to die so you can put in a single shot of damage. 

 

It is their job. This forum is always patronising players who don't play to the 'meta' and when someone is asked to play to the 'meta' the forum says its not his job.

 

View PostDorander, on 12 September 2019 - 08:20 PM, said:

On a sidenote, there's a huge irony about a post like this coming from a person who made a thread about "elitists" whining about how other people play. Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind.

 

I usually don't disagree with a lot of what you write, but this time you're wrong. You can see the sort of elitist response you get on this forum. Don't play to the 'meta' you get abuse and told you play cowardly - Play to the 'meta' and ask a light tank to do their job and the elitists say you're wrong.



8126Jakobsson #15 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:31 PM

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View Post25gorowins25, on 12 September 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

the most important flank 

 

Is it really though. 



4nt #16 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:34 PM

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View Post25gorowins25, on 12 September 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

 

They all went where I couldn't shoot and left the most important flank - so yeah, I call it how I see it.

 

 

Boring

 

 

that's your job.

 

 

It is their job. This forum is always patronising players who don't play to the 'meta' and when someone is asked to play to the 'meta' the forum says its not his job.

 

 

I usually don't disagree with a lot of what you write, but this time you're wrong. You can see the sort of elitist response you get on this forum. Don't play to the 'meta' you get abuse and told you play cowardly - Play to the 'meta' and ask a light tank to do their job and the elitists say you're wrong.

Sorry, dorander is right. You contradict your previous whinethread just fine here. And still, only elitists in WoT are those who are horridly bad, won't suffer another thought to improvement and glorify it as way game should be played. So that one is wrong too in so many levels. 

 

Duhh play to the meta. Sure way to lose games unless in a [edited]bobject or Maus.



The_Naa #17 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:34 PM

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every game below tier 6 is so called ''noob tier''. there players dont know what they are doing and what their class needs to do or simply dont care.

if you want serious scouting to happen you need to go tier 7 or higher.


Edited by The_Naa, 12 September 2019 - 08:35 PM.


Negativvv #18 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:35 PM

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If it bothers you that much then play LT yourself and see if you actually live beyond the 30s mark and manage to spot effectively. 



Gremlin182 #19 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:35 PM

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I get this all the time as a light tank player others knowing how to spot better than I do.

OK maybe they are better more experienced players but its more likely they have no clue at all.

 

So fine you click an open area of the map and yes I can go spot there but you will get a short term advantage as I will more than likely end up dead and the tanks I spot will vanish.

What then.

 

I know what tanks are as yet unspotted and where they are likely to be, I know how far I can push it before the risk gets too great I will only push recklessly if there is no other option.

Its possible I am waiting for them to come because its encounter or assault and they have to come its also possible I want you to move forward so you are in a position to support me when I get spotted.

 

My aim always is to spot every enemy tank keep them spotted till they are dead and be alive at the end of the game.

 

btw when I am doing my job of spotting while remaining hidden do me a favour.

Don't drive up behind me and don't use the same piece of cover and start firing.

They will not see me but are likely to kill me while shooting at you.



Stevies_Team #20 Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:44 PM

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They need to up the rewards for spotting

 

Spotting is often a thankless task, a spotters biggest risk at the start of the game was getting shot by his own team

No team damage has helped a lot there

 

Lots of little-hitlers out there who will happily send people off to die for their winrate cause

Lots of overpowered tier 8s to 10s with a fab viewrange and a laser gun

 

It's the toughest task in the game and they don't really get rewarded for it






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