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[undutchable80]

For those that dont visit the Supertest section regularly:

 

http://forum.worldof...-the-supertest/

 

EDIT: Tier 9 and Tier 10 dubbel barreled tanks have entered the Supertest:

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-is-3-ii-tier-ix-double-barrel-heavy-tank/

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-st-ii-tier-x-double-barrel-heavy-tank/

 

EDIT 2: looks like the new branch will start from the KV3:

https://thedailyboun...nch-sneak-peek/

Edited by undutchable80, 11 October 2019 - 11:05 AM.

[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

Nice.

 

From the initial stats which as they said: "None of this vehicle’s characteristics should be taken seriously."...

 

Spoiler

 

The down time after firing both guns or using the double shot mode is 33 seconds. That's 4 seconds more than the monstrous FV4005 which i think is a good way of balancing this new mechanic. The emphasis is on creating different situations or different solutions to a combat situation and that's fun.

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 18 September 2019 - 11:20 PM.

[kubawt112]

'Preparation time for a single shot: 3,5s'

 

I was under the impression that you'd have to 'prepare' for a double shot. From the looks of it, there'll be a single-shot delay, a delay for swapping guns, and finally another delay for, I dunno, reloading the gun after it fires?

 

It probably makes sense in some way or form - this way you can't double-tap some poor sod who pops into view for a second. Can't help but think it'll struggle compared to an IS-3A, though, which in the same time should get off two shots, have another to spare, and yet reload quicker...?

[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

kubawt112, on 19 September 2019 - 02:20 AM, said:

'Preparation time for a single shot: 3,5s'

 

I was under the impression that you'd have to 'prepare' for a double shot. From the looks of it, there'll be a single-shot delay, a delay for swapping guns, and finally another delay for, I dunno, reloading the gun after it fires?

 

It probably makes sense in some way or form - this way you can't double-tap some poor sod who pops into view for a second. Can't help but think it'll struggle compared to an IS-3A, though, which in the same time should get off two shots, have another to spare, and yet reload quicker...?

 

Translation problem, read 'Preparation time for a volley: 3.5s'.

[kubawt112]

XxKuzkina_MatxX, on 18 September 2019 - 11:21 PM, said:

 

Translation problem, read 'Preparation time for a volley: 3.5s'.

 

Ah, of course. Should've realized that, as should the translator (even if the word used in Russian has multiple meanings, it would be obvious for someone who knew what he was translating).

 

Well, still, rather comparable to an IS-3A, I guess, but with one shot less and inherent issues of having guns side-by-side. Maybe it's not too noticeable even at short range, but I can imagine some issues aiming for minor weakspots.

[Stevies_Team]

What happened to my Hitler tonk???

 

 

 

[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

kubawt112, on 19 September 2019 - 02:35 AM, said:

Ah, of course. Should've realized that, as should the translator (even if the word used in Russian has multiple meanings, it would be obvious for someone who knew what he was translating).

 

Well, still, rather comparable to an IS-3A, I guess, but with one shot less and inherent issues of having guns side-by-side. Maybe it's not too noticeable even at short range, but I can imagine some issues aiming for minor weakspots.

 

"время подготовки залпового выстрела: 3.5 c".

 

'залпового' means salvo or volley, the translator i guess doesn't have much to do with tanks and stuff so maybe salvo meant a single shot for him.

 

Spoiler

 

[Dava_117]

Looks balanced and interesting. 

Probably accuracy is a bit on the painful side. Nonthing too bad, but guess trying to hit something at a bit of range will be hard. Hope the ST-2 will stay on the same 0.38 of the ST-1 tho.

[Inappropriate_noob]

XxKuzkina_MatxX, on 18 September 2019 - 09:40 PM, said:

Nice.

 

From the initial stats which as they said: "None of this vehicle’s characteristics should be taken seriously."...

 

Spoiler

 

The down time after firing both guns or using the double shot mode is 33 seconds. That's 4 seconds more than the monstrous FV4005 which i think is a good way of balancing this new mechanic. The emphasis is on creating different situations or different solutions to a combat situation and that's fun.

T8, omw, Now imagine if WG totally lost the plot and gave it some dakka dakka guns like the have in their naval counterparts that can fire of rounds in 4.0 seconds and under,wouldn't that be awesome

 

This so going to be a premium right?

 

[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

NoobySkooby, on 19 September 2019 - 05:05 AM, said:

T8, omw, Now imagine if WG totally lost the plot and gave it some dakka dakka guns like the have in their naval counterparts that can fire of rounds in 4.0 seconds and under,wouldn't that be awesome

 

This so going to be a premium right?

 

You still worried about the Kutuzov?

 

I don't really know if it'll be a premium or not but i think this is more a test for them than for us. They're not testing a specific tank or a branch of the tech tree. It's a test of the mechanic of double guns and whether it's suitable for the game or not.

 

The whole announcement and "it entered the supertest" thing is more of a stunt, a show of progress. Maybe this mini branch is planned to be introduced by Christmas.

 

One thing i noticed about the two stat cards from RU and EU (posted above). It has two loaders guys not one which should be pretty obvious to the one who made that card!

[8126Jakobsson]

Of course it's a tier 8. Are we looking at this years christmas box mover? 

[staurinsh]

Dispersion 0.44 yea sure, so if it's said 0.44, then it will be 0.3 or 0.33, because for russian guns is the bigger numbers, the better.

[GH0571N45H3LL]

Is that Russian! is that TWO barrels!! 

WALLET OPENNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

[tajj7]

To be fair it looks pretty decent, the 'preparation time' or basically charge up for the double shot is an interesting way to do it, I presume you can move during this time so you could charge up and then move round a corner and then fire. 

 

Can it only reload one gun at a time? Thus it's 13s reload for single shot but 26s to reload both guns, plus that 7s block period? 

 

I will say though that IMO the double shot should get an accuracy penalty, make it more like a shotgun for closer ranges, of course in this test tank the accuracy is 0.44 anyway which is pretty bad but I am presuming a tier 9 and 10 will have more like 0.38 accuracy, so should IMO have like 0.44 say for double shot, something like that.

 

Initial thoughts are I think they have some interesting and potentially balanced here.

 

Still worried they might IS-3A it though, and make this more idiot proof, because at the moment this is a lot to think about for your average heavy tank bob, charging before a double shot, which mode firing mode to use, what the reload will then be, being careful to give clearance round corners for both guns so you don't fire one into a wall or aiming for spots where both shells will hit.  

 

A lot of skill cap there so the cynic in me says they will make it more idiot proof. 

[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

Looks like things are moving faster than i anticipated.

 

 

 

 

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[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

• Now this thing is a premium.
• Each gun has a different reload time too.
• The crew layout is different from the supertest (4 vs. 5 in the supertest).
• The armor was changed though no model to post at this point. The Kirovets-1 upper plate originally is 140mm @ 60° which is about 280mm effective. This tank's upper plate is 120mm, that should translate to 240mm effective armor if the angle remains the same.

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 19 September 2019 - 09:40 PM.

[fwhaatpiraat]

XxKuzkina_MatxX, on 19 September 2019 - 09:03 PM, said:

• The armor was changed though no model to post at this point. The Kirovets-1 upper plate is 140mm @ 60° which is about 280mm effective.

So basically the armor layout of the 430U at tier 8?

 

[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

fwhaatpiraat, on 20 September 2019 - 12:09 AM, said:

So basically the armor layout of the 430U at tier 8?

 

Maybe my post wasn't clear so let me rephrase that. The Kirovets-1 which is in the game files for years now has an upper plate of 280mm effective armor. The 430U's upper plate is 160mm @ 60° which is about 320mm effective.

 

Now between the supertest and a newer version of this tank they added very recently to the game files the armor was changed. I don't know yet what's the new armor layout looks like. Hope that's better.

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 20 September 2019 - 12:24 AM.

[fwhaatpiraat]

XxKuzkina_MatxX, on 19 September 2019 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

Maybe my post wasn't clear so let me rephrase that. The Kirovets-1 which is in the game files for years now has an upper plate of 280mm effective armor. The 430U's upper plate is 160mm @ 60° which is about 320mm effective.

 

Now between the supertest and a newer version of this tank they added very recently to the game files the armor was changed. I don't know yet what's the new armor layout looks like or if it was buffed or nerfed. Hope that's better.

280 or 320 at tier 8, I don't really see the difference. 212 or 225 mm of penetration won't even be close to enough to penetrate that.

[XxKuzkina_MatxX]

fwhaatpiraat, on 20 September 2019 - 12:23 AM, said:

280 or 320 at tier 8, I don't really see the difference. 212 or 225 mm of penetration won't even be close to enough to penetrate that.

 

There is no armor model available for this tank yet.

 

Edit: On closer inspection of the stats image, the upper plate has been nerfed to 120mm. It isn't as strong as the original armor of the Kirovets-1. Now it's around 240mm effective if the angle is the same.

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 19 September 2019 - 09:57 PM.