Jump to content


Questions about WZ-120


  • Please log in to reply
17 replies to this topic

ziratulbihac #1 Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:13 AM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 4263 battles
  • 144
  • Member since:
    08-04-2013

Hello, is it possible to play WZ-120 with one of those 100mm guns yet to remain competitive? 

 

How bad is 189/250 Gun for example? 

 

Is tier X gun the ONLY way?



Thlurp #2 Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:38 AM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 14491 battles
  • 674
  • [JORM] JORM
  • Member since:
    08-15-2012

the big 100mm is a good alternative

320dmg/215pen is similar to what T-54 has, just with worse gun handling

although the big gun would prepare you for 121

 

what I noticed, they never updated the gun depression on WZ-120

(121 used to have only -3 as well)



adameitas #3 Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:18 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 69873 battles
  • 1,016
  • Member since:
    07-29-2011
That tank is bad no matter what you gonna choose. Personally i used big gun bc of that alpha it worked well to me but it was like 3-4 years ago. If you gonna use big gun you will at least have those 500 damage hit moments if you gonna use small one you wont have any fun.

ziratulbihac #4 Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:32 AM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 4263 battles
  • 144
  • Member since:
    08-04-2013

View Postadameitas, on 24 September 2019 - 08:18 AM, said:

That tank is bad no matter what you gonna choose. Personally i used big gun bc of that alpha it worked well to me but it was like 3-4 years ago. If you gonna use big gun you will at least have those 500 damage hit moments if you gonna use small one you wont have any fun.

 

I am 110k intro T-34-2 (65k) left....and 25k intro T-44


Is Object 430 (tier IX) much better than WZ120? 



HaZardeur #5 Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:10 AM

    Lieutenant

  • Beta Tester
  • 37216 battles
  • 1,676
  • Member since:
    08-14-2010

View Postziratulbihac, on 24 September 2019 - 09:32 AM, said:

 

 


Is Object 430 (tier IX) much better than WZ120? 

 

The 430 is Russian... does it need more explanation ?



tank276 #6 Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:30 AM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 53981 battles
  • 787
  • [KEKE] KEKE
  • Member since:
    08-30-2012

View Postziratulbihac, on 24 September 2019 - 07:13 AM, said:

Hello, is it possible to play WZ-120 with one of those 100mm guns yet to remain competitive? 

 

How bad is 189/250 Gun for example? 

 

Is tier X gun the ONLY way?


No, you cannot do anything to play the wz competitevely.

Even fully elite it is just a bad tank.



pihip #7 Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:40 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 16199 battles
  • 1,313
  • Member since:
    01-11-2013

I found the top 100mm to be perfectly serviceable and considered keeping it for the better gun depression. However, the 113 gun makes WZ unique and is a valuable asset, I wish it had -5 gun depression though.

 

View Postziratulbihac, on 24 September 2019 - 09:32 AM, said:

Is Object 430 (tier IX) much better than WZ120? 

 

I wouldn't say "much", but it is overall better. See for yourself - https://tanks.gg/com...z-120?t=obj-430

 

Also Object 430 has almost no modules to research, WZ-120 needs a lot of grinding to unlock everything (unless you grinded the Chinese HTs as well).

And of course, Object 430U is stupid ruski bias at its finest.



TheDrownedApe #8 Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:44 AM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 50359 battles
  • 6,501
  • [IDEAL] IDEAL
  • Member since:
    03-27-2013
Sold it after 41 games. Awful tank and awful TX too, just don't bother

fwhaatpiraat #9 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:10 PM

    Captain

  • Player
  • 60163 battles
  • 2,068
  • [RGT] RGT
  • Member since:
    05-04-2013
This probably is the worst stock grind in the game. The amount of XP that is required is insane. With 250 alpha the WZ-120 is a joke. With the top 100mm gun it is a slower T-54 with worse armor (balance, cyka), with less dpm and worse gun handling. And worse gun depression also. With the top gun you have a nice 'smack' and good penetration, althought the vehicle still isn't that strong.

adameitas #10 Posted 24 September 2019 - 01:02 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 69873 battles
  • 1,016
  • Member since:
    07-29-2011

View Postziratulbihac, on 24 September 2019 - 08:32 AM, said:

 

I am 110k intro T-34-2 (65k) left....and 25k intro T-44


Is Object 430 (tier IX) much better than WZ120? 

430 is one of the best if not the best t9 medium while wz is one of the worst if not the worst t9 medium. And they both in general have very similar gameplay. I would suggest if you really want to get 121 (if you want it it get only for collection then dont bother you gonna get it with blueprints one day) use 2x tactic (just play till first win per day) when you gonna elite it you might even somehow like it (like i did) since t9 mm is very good and that 440 alpha vs t7 sometimes might be very fun:)



geoff99 #11 Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:23 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 43310 battles
  • 317
  • [SPIKE] SPIKE
  • Member since:
    09-20-2012

OP, here is some information which you might find helpful

 

430 very good with almost no grind

430U very good

 

WZ120 awful with awful grind

121 mediocre



Lanrefni #12 Posted 25 September 2019 - 12:19 AM

    Major General

  • Player
  • 34777 battles
  • 5,118
  • Member since:
    09-15-2012

WZ-120 is by no means competitive with any non-top gun. It's impossible to trade with anything which isn't lower tier, not even mentioning the inability to penetrate anything.

By far, the worst Tier IX MT right now that could use buffs.

 

Not exactly sure why people keep bashing the 121. It has been a decent tank for a very long time, and still remains that way, if played in an aggressive, yet not reckless way.  When the bobjectMT gets nerfed, you will also have the Leopard 1. 

430u is simply a bad tank - bad for the game, and promotes bad habits, hence noobs overperform in it, while in 121 their WR could have up to 10% of difference. Obviously, WG has to cater to the russian noob masses, otherwise the game would crash.


Edited by lnfernaI, 25 September 2019 - 12:21 AM.


thetopcat #13 Posted 25 September 2019 - 09:18 AM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 27221 battles
  • 73
  • [EVITA] EVITA
  • Member since:
    12-08-2012

The top gun is ok, without it the tank is bad 

 



HerrWizo #14 Posted 25 September 2019 - 09:45 AM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 38013 battles
  • 96
  • [BEXF] BEXF
  • Member since:
    08-07-2014

Bad tank even with top gun (horrible without it), and has a truly excruciating grind. Obj 430 is a far better choice, and has virtually no grind.

 

IMHO, what really kills the tank is gun handling and basically non-existent gun depression. It would be perfectly fine tank otherwise (top gun can deal over 500 dmg ocasionally, and HE is devastating against soft targets).



1ucky #15 Posted 25 September 2019 - 09:28 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 87931 battles
  • 1,303
  • [THRIL] THRIL
  • Member since:
    11-05-2013

Have you tried [Vents/Stabs/Optics + Food] combined with the top gun?

I think it's still very bad, in part because there is no equipment that would help with the gun depression, but it was the most comfortable setup I've tried so far. It would probably help even more if you'd drop the optics for a gun laying drive, but I feel I'd still prefer having the vision boost instead, for now.



kubawt112 #16 Posted 25 September 2019 - 11:23 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 3378 battles
  • 785
  • [-UM] -UM
  • Member since:
    07-10-2012

View Postziratulbihac, on 24 September 2019 - 09:32 AM, said:

 

I am 110k intro T-34-2 (65k) left....and 25k intro T-44


Is Object 430 (tier IX) much better than WZ120? 

 

You don't give up easily, I'll give you that.

 

The thing about the 430 is the total lack of the so-called 'stock grind'. The WZ-120 becomes a bad T-54 clone only after you ground through every module but the top gun. The 430, well, it's basically elite when you buy it. Your available upgrades are a whopping forty extra horsepower from the engine, and increased module health for the tracks. Yeah - that's the only thing the tracks offer, it's essentially an option.

Of course, the '120 grind is easier if you went down the heavy tank line first. Still, you need to grind the turrets and tracks, even if you unlocked the top engine on the WZ-111-1-4 and the top gun via the 113. Fun, huh - and that's before you consider that the T-44 is a rather good tech-tree tank, and the T-34-2 is among the worst. Icing on the cake, and all that jazz.



Lanrefni #17 Posted 26 September 2019 - 09:29 AM

    Major General

  • Player
  • 34777 battles
  • 5,118
  • Member since:
    09-15-2012
why do people even consider going through the T-34-2? have none of you heard of the WZ-132.

Edited by lnfernaI, 26 September 2019 - 09:29 AM.


undutchable80 #18 Posted 26 September 2019 - 09:48 AM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 12516 battles
  • 4,150
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    10-30-2014

View PostlnfernaI, on 26 September 2019 - 09:29 AM, said:

why do people even consider going through the T-34-2? have none of you heard of the WZ-132.

I was wondering about that actually. I have several grinds going, some with higher priority and some with low priority like the Chinese LT & MT lines. My loooooong term goal is both T9s and I generally do the daily doubles on that line whenever I feel like it, so grind is slow. I saw that I can get the WZ-120 via the LT line. I have the 5A in my garage, so maybe I will already have unlocked some modules, but knowing that the T-34-2 awaits if I continue along the MT line *shivers*, are there big cons of going to the WZ-120 via the LT line and skipping the T7 & T8 MTs?






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users