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25gorowins25 #1 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:00 PM

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Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite, but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.



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We could call it The Bush Wookie bonus

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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 01:00 PM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite, but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.


Every single word you say is not true.

 

 

Edit: I had to laugh, when i saw you already played 4 (!) games in tank destroyers, the almighty tier 2 UK TD :) Play more battles. Especially try different Tank Destroyers and you will find out, it's not more difficult at all.


Edited by Anna_Kalashnikova, 24 September 2019 - 12:06 PM.


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Lol good one op

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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite, but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.


Winrate is only irrelevant to people that can't extend enough influence themselves to win matches. In other words for those that are average/bad.

Which is logical, it's human nature to want to deny the facts if it means you have to change yourself.

 

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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite, but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.

 

The goal of the game is to win matches, not get better WN8. Win Rate is the best measure of how much you are able to win by doing whatever is necessary.


Edited by _zzzz_, 24 September 2019 - 12:22 PM.


Evilier_than_Skeletor #7 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:23 PM

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Maybe you should create your own metric that would show player skill more to your liking. It could include also strategic vision, like damage done from more than 300 meters away and average amount of maps pings.

Kartoshkaya #8 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:23 PM

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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

Then, why do you play td ?



Balc0ra #9 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:27 PM

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Another TD topic?

 

But then again it already does. WN8 = damage more or less. Do enough as most redline TD campers do. And it should not be an issue if that's more vital then winning for you.



KingMarkQQ #10 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:28 PM

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Op you're the gift that keeps on giving. 

 

Wn8 is relative to server performance in a given tank. The harder it is to do well in a tank the less you have to do in it to gain wn8. Thats how the formular works. 



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I thought it was already implemented? The anti-rush-rating is the perfect metric.

SovietBias #12 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:46 PM

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What? No screenshots - with your real account edit out - showing your 3k WN8 TD plays ?

25gorowins25 #13 Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:53 PM

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View PostAnna_Kalashnikova, on 24 September 2019 - 12:04 PM, said:

Every single word you say is not true.

 

Even the part about tank destroyers being some of the slowest tanks in the games and many don't have turrets? Maybe learn to read before jumping in.

 

View PostKingMarkQQ_TheToxicFak, on 24 September 2019 - 12:28 PM, said:

Op you're the gift that keeps on giving. 

 

Wn8 is relative to server performance in a given tank. The harder it is to do well in a tank the less you have to do in it to gain wn8. Thats how the formular works. 

 

What is it with this forum and reading skills. I hope they get better as people grow up.

 

I'm saying the forumula should change to reflect the skill required to play TD.s Theytre already hard to carry games and they do less damage so WN8 is biased against them. It might be relative to how others perform but 51% WR in a TD is much higher skill than 51% in a heavy tank, but WN8 treats it the same.

 

Maybe read and think a bit first sonny before jumping in and embarssing yourself.



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View PostKingMarkQQ_TheToxicFak, on 24 September 2019 - 11:28 AM, said:

Op you're the gift that keeps on giving. 

 

Wn8 is relative to server performance in a given tank. The harder it is to do well in a tank the less you have to do in it to gain wn8. Thats how the formular works. 


A cynical person may think the OP, whoever they actually are, knows that.



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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

Even the part about tank destroyers being some of the slowest tanks in the games and many don't have turrets? Maybe learn to read before jumping in.

 

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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite, but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.

Thingun, Your average damage in tank destroyers is already shown in your wn8 value of those tanks. It seems you are lacking the high level of skill and intellect you claim is needed to play a tankdestroyer.

 


Edited by TomatoShooter, 24 September 2019 - 02:05 PM.


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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

I'm saying the forumula should change to reflect the skill required to play TD.s Theytre already hard to carry games and they do less damage so WN8 is biased against them. It might be relative to how others perform but 51% WR in a TD is much higher skill than 51% in a heavy tank, but WN8 treats it the same.

 

Maybe read and think a bit first sonny before jumping in and embarssing yourself.

Maybe you do the same and read the well documented formula for wn8 before you ramble about things you clearly have not the faintest grasp of?



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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite, but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.

Would you like to explain your logic?

 

Your posting account only shows one TD and four battles. The account in your signature has not been played since 2014.


 

If we could see your stats, then we could understand where the problem might lie- from OUR point of view, not yours.

 

View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game,

 

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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

and many don't have a turret.

 

Yeah. That's mostly what TDs are about. It allows them to typically mount bigger guns than would ever be possible on a chassis of that size with a turret.

 

View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

I don't know which emotion to feel here. First of all: do you consider yourself skilled? Your posting account WR would suggest otherwise. Why not show us your real stats? As for the rest. PMSL.


 

View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite,

Translation: I lose because I get bad teams. :facepalm:


 

View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.

To the best of my knowledge, Wn8 is balanced for each vehicles and reflects the skill of the player in that vehicle and WR is a factor- again, AFAIK.

 

View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

I'm saying the forumula should change to reflect the skill required to play TD.s Theytre already hard to carry games and they do less damage so WN8 is biased against them. It might be relative to how others perform but 51% WR in a TD is much higher skill than 51% in a heavy tank, but WN8 treats it the same.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

 

So this is my KV-1 stats- a popular tier V HT that is so noob-friendly that anyone can play it, yes?

 

and yet this my SU-85 stats. Same tier. Same country.


 

Tier VII

and same nation and tier Jagdpanther.

 

And my much-hated Tiger II

 

And my much-loved Rhm Borsig WT.


 

So what is your point?

 

I am a far better TD player than I am a HT player. I currently have 21 HTs in my garage and 43 TDs. To balance this out as HTs are not widely available below tier V from tier V upwards, I have 19 HTs and 36 TDs. Roughly twice as many in both respects. Some TDs are not winners, but I am talking about higher tiers where I struggle in all classes. Nonetheless, I have positive WRs in most TDs that I have played and all but a few that are in my garage.


Edited by PowJay, 24 September 2019 - 01:28 PM.


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View Post25gorowins25, on 24 September 2019 - 02:30 PM, said:

Tank destroyers are some of the slowest tanks in the game, and many don't have a turret. With those characterstics I've found they need a high level of skill and intelllect that is beyond the average player.

 

Winrate is a meaningless statistic only used by the entitled elite, but WN8 needs to change to reflect the skill difference required to play tank destoyers.

 

I agree with Anna_Kalashnikova, you need to play way more battles! :D

and yeah, TDs are a bit harder to play because of being "turret-less", but it doesn't mean all what you said above.

and why not to start with T110E4? since it has turret and all it's line is fun. :)






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