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DETOBOY #1 Posted 29 September 2019 - 10:50 AM

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Its not problem that tier 8 play with tier 10, its not arty or wheelie,its not war in faaar away galaxsies.

Its a WIN RATE of players.

How you can win if in one team you have 6-7 players with win rate of 45-48% and other team has 6-7 players od 52-55% win rate and rest players are same ?

You cant win if half your team has so low win rate ,its so unbalance...

Low win rate is ok, new players, bad players, kid, girl ,man, woman players its all ok but dont put all players with low win rate just on one side.

Can you do that Wg?

Can you put some codes in MM that are more fair with numbers of low win rate players  in both teams?

It will be great if you do this WG.

Thx

 

 



BravelyRanAway #2 Posted 29 September 2019 - 10:52 AM

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Throw that XVM garbage in the bin.

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DETOBOY #3 Posted 29 September 2019 - 10:56 AM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 September 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

Throw that XVM garbage in the bin.

Thx.

Why?

its in game , so its a legal and approved.

Why you than throw your spoon at gartbage and eat with your hands?

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BravelyRanAway #4 Posted 29 September 2019 - 11:01 AM

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View PostDETOBOY, on 29 September 2019 - 09:56 AM, said:

Why?

its in game , so its a legal and approved.

Why you than throw your spoon at gartbage and eat with your hands?

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Your WR is a result of the set  up of the random MM. If you change it to balance teams WR's, then that's rigging and you can be prepared for a drop in your WR.



DETOBOY #5 Posted 29 September 2019 - 11:37 AM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 September 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

Your WR is a result of the set  up of the random MM. If you change it to balance teams WR's, then that's rigging and you can be prepared for a drop in your WR.

Than how is to half team has 45-48 % WR a second team has 52-55%WR ?

I just say that often, very often one team has too much players with low win rate, thats all.

 

 

 



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View PostDETOBOY, on 29 September 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

Than how is to half team has 45-48 % WR a second team has 52-55%WR ?

I just say that often, very often one team has too much players with low win rate, thats all.

 

 

 

You still don't get it. I guess that's because you eat with a spoon....try a knife and fork.



SiliconSidewinder #7 Posted 29 September 2019 - 11:44 AM

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1: even the worst players have their good games, they are just less likely.

2: you missunderstand the meaning of a overall WR (and WN)

3: everybody has those teammates it's like drawing cards in a poker game, you don't get to controll which hand you get dealt, it's how you play it that matters.



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View PostSiliconSidewinder, on 29 September 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

1: even the worst players have their good games, they are just less likely.

2: you missunderstand the meaning of a overall WR (and WN)

3: everybody has those teammates it's like drawing cards in a poker game, you don't get to controll which hand you get dealt, it's how you play it that matters.

thx for info.

2. is so true so I go read more about that.

Ty 



krismorgan #9 Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:22 PM

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Won 5 out of 6 friday night then saturday night 3 out of 10-swings and roundabouts.

barison1 #10 Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:32 PM

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View PostDETOBOY, on 29 September 2019 - 10:50 AM, said:

Its not problem that tier 8 play with tier 10, its not arty or wheelie,its not war in faaar away galaxsies.

Its a WIN RATE of players.

How you can win if in one team you have 6-7 players with win rate of 45-48% and other team has 6-7 players od 52-55% win rate and rest players are same ?

You cant win if half your team has so low win rate ,its so unbalance...

Low win rate is ok, new players, bad players, kid, girl ,man, woman players its all ok but dont put all players with low win rate just on one side.

Can you do that Wg?

Can you put some codes in MM that are more fair with numbers of low win rate players  in both teams?

It will be great if you do this WG.

Thx

 

 


do you also complain when you have good players in your team facing reds only? on long term it evens out of having bad team/good teams anyway



ChristOfTheAbyss #11 Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:44 PM

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View PostDETOBOY, on 29 September 2019 - 10:50 AM, said:

Its not problem that tier 8 play with tier 10, its not arty or wheelie,its not war in faaar away galaxsies.

Its a WIN RATE of players.

How you can win if in one team you have 6-7 players with win rate of 45-48% and other team has 6-7 players od 52-55% win rate and rest players are same ?

You cant win if half your team has so low win rate ,its so unbalance...

Low win rate is ok, new players, bad players, kid, girl ,man, woman players its all ok but dont put all players with low win rate just on one side.

Can you do that Wg?

Can you put some codes in MM that are more fair with numbers of low win rate players  in both teams?

It will be great if you do this WG.

Thx

 

 


MM doesnt affect winrate. At all.



splash_time #12 Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:45 PM

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View Postbarison1, on 29 September 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:


do you also complain when you have good players in your team facing reds only? on long term it evens out of having bad team/good teams anyway

Sometimes when i win my battles, i look at enemy team. Yesterday for example, i played and the guy who i was fighting with was a literally new player, he didn't even know how to pen my tank....

It's unfair yeah... But it's only a game, and it's totally random. 


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Ricky_Rolls #13 Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:46 PM

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The problem is peoples only talking about small, irrelevant sessions they've done among the thousand if not dozen of thousand of games they've played. If some players can't get over the fact that they have to improve on themselves, because in the end things will balance each others out in term of mm, nobody can help them. And i'm not talking about which tanks you'll get in both teams, i'm talking about the skill of the players.

splash_time #14 Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:48 PM

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View PostChristOfTheAbyss, on 29 September 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:


MM doesnt affect winrate. At all.

 

But winning battles does? Which are formed by MM? :D



ChristOfTheAbyss #15 Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:54 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 29 September 2019 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

But winning battles does? Which are formed by MM? :D

 

Winning isnt formed in any way by MM.



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View PostDETOBOY, on 29 September 2019 - 09:50 AM, said:

Its not problem that tier 8 play with tier 10, its not arty or wheelie,its not war in faaar away galaxsies.

Its a WIN RATE of players.

How you can win if in one team you have 6-7 players with win rate of 45-48% and other team has 6-7 players od 52-55% win rate and rest players are same ?

You cant win if half your team has so low win rate ,its so unbalance...

Low win rate is ok, new players, bad players, kid, girl ,man, woman players its all ok but dont put all players with low win rate just on one side.

Can you do that Wg?

Can you put some codes in MM that are more fair with numbers of low win rate players  in both teams?

It will be great if you do this WG.

Thx

 

 

 

 My w/r is okay on some tanks, on some carefully curated OP low tiers it is 60%+

On higher tiers it is usually bad.

I am not sure what my overall w/r tells you.  In a tier 5 I will slightly improve the team's chances, in a tier 8 I will reduce it.

And like any stat, w/r can easily be manipulated.  There are players here with 90% w/r, but if you look closer than is probably through very OP tooning in randoms.



gitgud_cannot #17 Posted 29 September 2019 - 02:03 PM

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to be honest, most of the 50-52% players, dont play any different than 47-49% players. 

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View PostMajor_Gitgud, on 29 September 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

to be honest, most of the 50-52% players, dont play any different than 47-49% players. 

Well if that's the case, then the 53-55% players don't play any different than the 50-52% players.



gitgud_cannot #19 Posted 29 September 2019 - 02:16 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 29 September 2019 - 03:14 PM, said:

Well if that's the case, then the 53-55% players don't play any different than the 50-52% players.

pretty much, 50-55% has a lot of luck involved, as for the individual tank winrates, +/- 10% is absolutely normal deviation.



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View PostDETOBOY, on 29 September 2019 - 10:56 AM, said:

Why?

its in game , so its a legal and approved.

Why you than throw your spoon at gartbage and eat with your hands?

Thx

 

Because when XVM users see that... They play worse because "there is no point".

 

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