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25gorowins25 #1 Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:38 AM

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Tank destoyers are meant to be in the game to be sneaky bar stewards. But when you have ones like the Doom Toaster the only way they can work is with extra camo.

 

Camo nets and binos should be restricted to only tank destroyers to make the Marder 38 or the Borsig actually competitive. Their tactic has to be to hide in a bush and rack up a massive score. Doing boom or bust with the ISU-152 in assult just doesn't work.

 

Tank destroyers without turrets should also get x 2 faster crew training as there is less to learn to operate a vehicle without a turret as its less complicated.



8126Jakobsson #2 Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:41 AM

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But all you do is sit in the far back and - hopefully - shoot at tanks spotted by others, so what you need the binos for? And if you, in the far back at that, hide behind a bush then what use do you have for the net?  

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View Post25gorowins25, on 30 September 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

Tank destoyers ...

Their tactic has to be to hide in a bush and rack up a massive score.

In reality where 1 hit means 1 destroyed tank, that works. In this game tho... :(



Balc0ra #4 Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:49 AM

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At this point, I'm not even sure if your TD topics are sarcastic or not.

 

Then again TDs had view range. But WG did not want to reward redline camping with their own spotting, so they nerfed it into the ground. If you want TD view range superiority, then D-max is the one for you, as it's pre-nerf. 



Dava_117 #5 Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:50 AM

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Sure, how about no?

TDs already have massive advantages thanks to the increased vegetation after 1.0 and all the free ledges that WG keep adding in every map, with elevation bushes and hard covers. TDs don't deserve any further help.



Thejagdpanther #6 Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:52 AM

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Dude... can u please stop?
If you want to discuss the fact that equipments and skills need some fresh air it's ok, but those kind of topic are annoying.

The most annoying part is also to read after, the bullsheep about one side or the other that play or not play them, and it's embarassing how much stupid things people can think and write.

Edited by Thejagdpanther, 30 September 2019 - 10:57 AM.


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View Post25gorowins25, on 30 September 2019 - 09:38 AM, said:

Tank destoyers are meant to be in the game to be sneaky bar stewards. But when you have ones like the Doom Toaster the only way they can work is with extra camo.

 

Camo nets and binos should be restricted to only tank destroyers to make the Marder 38 or the Borsig actually competitive. Their tactic has to be to hide in a bush and rack up a massive score. Doing boom or bust with the ISU-152 in assult just doesn't work.

 

Tank destroyers without turrets should also get x 2 faster crew training as there is less to learn to operate a vehicle without a turret as its less complicated.


Uh-huh... And how exactly does the option of using cammo net+binos on other tanks affect your TD? You can use them too, and to much greater effect than, someone using them on a heavy or even med.
Furthermore, not ALL TDs are meant to snipe in a bush, for example a T95 and other heavy armor TDs are well suited for leading an attack, heck even not so heavily armored ones such as WZ-120-1 FT can work really well close range when needed putting binos+cammo net on such tank actually puts you in disadvantage since bush sniping simply is not their role.


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malachi6 #8 Posted 30 September 2019 - 11:14 AM

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From a pure gameplay and customer retention aspect, this is an ill-conceived idea.   Many free to play players do not have a lot of money and run a camo net and binoculars on a bunch of tanks as they can be removed and put on other vehicles.  Saying these can only be mounted upon TD's (and arty I assume.); means players now have to generate enough money to mount equipment on all tanks they play and have gold to demount it if they want or need to.  Imagine now, that you are forced to do this.  How does that make you feel?

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View Post25gorowins25, on 30 September 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

Tank destoyers are meant to be in the game to be sneaky bar stewards. But when you have ones like the Doom Toaster the only way they can work is with extra camo.

 

Camo nets and binos should be restricted to only tank destroyers to make the Marder 38 or the Borsig actually competitive. Their tactic has to be to hide in a bush and rack up a massive score. Doing boom or bust with the ISU-152 in assult just doesn't work.

 

Tank destroyers without turrets should also get x 2 faster crew training as there is less to learn to operate a vehicle without a turret as its less complicated.

Camo net should be removed to help players realise it is a useless equipment. 



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View PostLordMuffin, on 30 September 2019 - 11:22 AM, said:

Camo net should be removed to help players realise it is a useless equipment. 

In your opinion or do you have evidence for such an assertion?



LordMuffin #11 Posted 30 September 2019 - 11:25 AM

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View Postmalachi6, on 30 September 2019 - 11:22 AM, said:

In your opinion or do you have evidence for such an assertion?

It doesn't give enough to be useful.

 

The number of times you would have been spotted without camo net but aren't because you used it is extremely low. (Say 0.1% at max).

 

 


Edited by LordMuffin, 30 September 2019 - 11:28 AM.


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View PostLordMuffin, on 30 September 2019 - 11:22 AM, said:

Camo net should be removed to help players realise it is a useless equipment. 

If it is useless then it is as good as nothing, but then again it has weight so it should be worse than nothing.

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View PostMeetriX, on 30 September 2019 - 11:28 AM, said:

If it is useless then it is as good as nothing, but then again it has weight so it should be worse than nothing.

:amazed:

There are potential circumstances happening like once every 10k games where it can be a difference.

 

It is mostly useful if you want to spot from a position outside any soft cover.


Edited by LordMuffin, 30 September 2019 - 11:29 AM.


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View PostLordMuffin, on 30 September 2019 - 11:29 AM, said:

There are potential circumstances happening like once every 10k games where it can be a difference.

 

It is mostly useful if you want to spot from a position outside any soft cover.

Where did you get that number?

So it is not useless?



LordMuffin #15 Posted 30 September 2019 - 11:33 AM

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View PostMeetriX, on 30 September 2019 - 11:30 AM, said:

Where did you get that number?

So it is not useless?

Camo net forces enemies to get ~5-10m closer to spot you.

 

How often is that the difference?



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Nothing worse at the end of a tight game once you're dead, seeing your top tier heavy tank moving slowly to various places and hearing the camo net & binos activating. You're relying on them just killing the last person and you realise you're doomed :child:

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View PostLordMuffin, on 30 September 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

Camo net forces enemies to get ~5-10m closer to spot you.

 

How often is that the difference?

Not very usefull is still far from useless.

It is still better than nothing.



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View PostLordMuffin, on 30 September 2019 - 11:25 AM, said:

It doesn't give enough to be useful.

 

The number of times you would have been spotted without camo net but aren't because you used it is extremely low. (Say 0.1% at max).

 

If you use double bushes in your TD's etc often, then you can get to the camo cap even without it. Then sure.

 

View PostLordMuffin, on 30 September 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

Camo net forces enemies to get ~5-10m closer to spot you.

 

How often is that the difference?

 

5? My French M10 as an example vs a 400m view range tank with me sitting in the open with no camo net will get spotted at 300m. With one, it's 247m. It's a fair bit with no cover. So I would not say useless, as that is enough to make a difference rather often on some maps.



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View PostLordMuffin, on 30 September 2019 - 11:25 AM, said:

It doesn't give enough to be useful.

 

The number of times you would have been spotted without camo net but aren't because you used it is extremely low. (Say 0.1% at max).

 

 

 

Again, in your opinion or do you have evidence?   Making up a number is not evidence.  Please cite evidence to prove your assertion of 0.1%



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View PostBalc0ra, on 30 September 2019 - 11:43 AM, said:

 

If you use double bushes in your TD's etc often, then you can get to the camo cap even without it. Then sure.

 

 

5? My French M10 as an example vs a 400m view range tank with me sitting in the open with no camo net will get spotted at 300m. With one, it's 247m. It's a fair bit with no cover. So I would not say useless, as that is enough to make a difference rather often on some maps.

And how often are you sitting still in the open with no cover with a camo net?






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