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Argedeava #1 Posted 30 September 2019 - 01:39 PM

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Modify the actual preferential MM by also excluding Defenders and Caernavon AX ( or some other tank) from WZ 111`s games.

I have recently aquired the famous Chinese specimen from the Frontline as i got mesmerized by it and i can`t help myself not to like it.

I like it in spite of anything. And i mean anything, reasonable or not.

I just can`t figure out how can i compete with some opponents.



Balc0ra #2 Posted 30 September 2019 - 01:50 PM

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Well unlike the IS-6 vs those targets, the WZ's have 250 HEAT pen that helps a fair bit.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 30 September 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

Well unlike the IS-6 vs those targets, the WZ's have 250 HEAT pen that helps a fair bit.

 

STA-2 worth it more or WZ?(consider that I'm a f2p and i don't use gold ammo a lot)



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Yes. STA-2 is a good all-rounder tank. Nothing particularly special about it, nothing particularly bad about it either.

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View PostArgedeava, on 30 September 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

Modify the actual preferential MM by also excluding Defenders and Caernavon AX ( or some other tank) from WZ 111`s games.

I have recently aquired the famous Chinese specimen from the Frontline as i got mesmerized by it and i can`t help myself not to like it.

I like it in spite of anything. And i mean anything, reasonable or not.

I just can`t figure out how can i compete with some opponents.

 

WZ-111 is a heavium, it's basically a limited MM T-10 on tier 8, its not designed to frontally brawl actual heavies, against them you more have to play it like a semi-armoured med, you brawl against mediums. 

 

That is why it goes 50kph, has ok gun handling for a 122mm, good DPM and has 380m view range not 350m like the Russian heavies. 



Anna_Kalashnikova #6 Posted 30 September 2019 - 02:00 PM

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View PostArgedeava, on 30 September 2019 - 02:39 PM, said:

Modify the actual preferential MM by also excluding Defenders and Caernavon AX ( or some other tank) from WZ 111`s games.

I have recently aquired the famous Chinese specimen from the Frontline as i got mesmerized by it and i can`t help myself not to like it.

I like it in spite of anything. And i mean anything, reasonable or not.

I just can`t figure out how can i compete with some opponents.


It would be enough, if the MM distributes PMM-tanks better. It happens, that one team gets a KV-5 and a 112, while the enemy team gets an Emil I and a defender. that could be easily avoided. As far as i know the match maker is currently beeing taught to check what he matched. When he notices this kind of imbalance he can just switch 2 Players Teams, improving the balance with no extra time in the que for anyone.


Edited by Anna_Kalashnikova, 30 September 2019 - 02:01 PM.


Stevies_Team #7 Posted 30 September 2019 - 02:01 PM

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Use HE, shoot for the upper surfaces which are never more than 40mm on non russian heavies

 

Run away from Defenders


Edited by Stevies_Team, 30 September 2019 - 02:02 PM.


Argedeava #8 Posted 30 September 2019 - 02:05 PM

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View PostAnna_Kalashnikova, on 30 September 2019 - 02:00 PM, said:


It would be enough, if the MM distributes PMM-tanks better. It happens, that one team gets a KV-5 and a 112, while the enemy team gets an Emil I and a defender. that could be easily avoided. As far as i know the match maker is currently beeing taught to check what he matched. When he notices this kind of imbalance he can just switch 2 Players Teams, improving the balance with no extra time in the que for anyone.


I noticed MM chooses the tanks within the same tier too. I have noticed it limits at 3 the FV4005. So baning some tanks from the WZ 111`s MM wouldn`t be such a premiere.

It will also bring joy to the other players when they see WZ 111, knowing that some tanks are not in that game.



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View PostAnna_Kalashnikova, on 30 September 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:


It would be enough, if the MM distributes PMM-tanks better. It happens, that one team gets a KV-5 and a 112, while the enemy team gets an Emil I and a defender. that could be easily avoided. As far as i know the match maker is currently beeing taught to check what he matched. When he notices this kind of imbalance he can just switch 2 Players Teams, improving the balance with no extra time in the que for anyone.

 

Well, WG said it's designed for SPGs, but i didn't notice any difference, still see 3 or 2 artys in T10, and 3 artys in lower tier games.



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View Postsplash_time, on 30 September 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

STA-2 worth it more or WZ?(consider that I'm a f2p and i don't use gold ammo a lot)

 

WZ has sub 200 AP pen. So on the HT lane vs targets like Type 4's, VK 100.01, Defenders, O-Ho's and alike. The pen is not high enough even if you high roll a bit head on vs even their weakspots, so you have to press 2 some battles often to be useful. Tho you can go the medium lane and fight there vs more ideal targets to make a profit.

 

STA-2 has the same pen as the IS-M. As in 212, and since his role is not to fight super heavies first. He can be more ideal in the income department with the same MM, as in tier 8 to 9. X can be a mixed bag with that pen, as tier X meds have anything from lots of armor to nothing. That and the STA-2 is ofc cheaper to run in terms of ammo and repair if end game profit is your focus.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 30 September 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

 

WZ has sub 200 AP pen. So on the HT lane vs targets like Type 4's, VK 100.01, Defenders, O-Ho's and alike. The pen is not high enough even if you high roll a bit head on vs even their weakspots, so you have to press 2 some battles often to be useful. Tho you can go the medium lane and fight there vs more ideal targets to make a profit.

 

STA-2 has the same pen as the IS-M. As in 212, and since his role is not to fight super heavies first. He can be more ideal in the income department with the same MM, as in tier 8 to 9. X can be a mixed bag with that pen, as tier X meds have anything from lots of armor to nothing. That and the STA-2 is ofc cheaper to run in terms of ammo and repair if end game profit is your focus.


I was tempted by the STA-2 but i alrealy have a Pilot and i figured they are preety much the same.



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View PostArgedeava, on 30 September 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

I have recently aquired the famous Chinese specimen from the Frontline as i got mesmerized by it and i can`t help myself not to like it.

I like it in spite of anything. And i mean anything, reasonable or not.

 

Now you know why it was given as a "reward" tank.



Argedeava #13 Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:07 AM

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View PostBordhaw, on 30 September 2019 - 05:40 PM, said:

 

Now you know why it was given as a "reward" tank.


Performancewise it actually feels like a poor student who failed classes and ended up repeating years. Or like an donkey betwen sheeps. He-s dumbly op betwen tier 6 and very underpowerd among his own tier, not to mention T9 or T10 (which it can encounter via platoon). Which is a fail as concept imo.

Having a top speed of 50 kmph with a poor engine and a poor turning rate is just not going to make it keep up with mediums. The same about spotting range. All in all it makes a poor medium and an inept heavy.

The only subjective strongpoint i found is the consistence with witch it hits and damages Strvs. It defies anything about it. I think i have like 100% hitrate and penetrationrate vs Strvs.

 


Edited by Argedeava, 01 October 2019 - 08:08 AM.


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View Postsplash_time, on 30 September 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

STA-2 worth it more or WZ?(consider that I'm a f2p and i don't use gold ammo a lot)

 

Your choice but you have to accept that if you don't use all the tools at your disposal you will be at an advantage.

 

Premium tanks can afford to use some premium ammo even on a standard account.



Argedeava #15 Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:54 AM

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WZ 111 is my only tank that when damaged from the side he gets both de-tracked and ammoracked with a single shoot. Frequently, like 70% of side hits.

So 1 shoot:

 - damage

 - detracked

 - ammracked

It is my only tank that consistantly has this ability. Is it unique? Or is there other tank that has the same feature. Is  it that they implemented those "design flaws" from the description?

 

PS I`m not talking HE or arty. I`m talking AP rounds.


Edited by Argedeava, 07 October 2019 - 11:55 AM.


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View PostArgedeava, on 30 September 2019 - 01:39 PM, said:

Modify the actual preferential MM by also excluding Defenders and Caernavon AX ( or some other tank) from WZ 111`s games.

I have recently aquired the famous Chinese specimen from the Frontline as i got mesmerized by it and i can`t help myself not to like it.

I like it in spite of anything. And i mean anything, reasonable or not.

I just can`t figure out how can i compete with some opponents.

 

I like my 112 so I feel your pain, the amount of times I get a top tier match only to be facing a defender/vk 100p/lowe/and now that new german vk prem tank is very frequent.

 

Also the mm will happily put 2 pmm tanks on one team and 2 standard on the other. Which is poor and should be fixed.

 

You basically have 2 choices, go med line and bully lower tier meds, you dont have to keep up but at 50 km/h you shouldn't be far behind.

 

Or load HE find a hulldown spot and start spamming the defenders/vks tracks hoping they get stuck in the open, then load gold blast the weakspot or try and flank them and use ur dpm... your AP will penetrate the rear of all these tanks.

 

What you dont want to do is get in a peekaboo/sidescrape battle as they will slaughter you.






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