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Stevies_Team #1 Posted 30 September 2019 - 07:45 PM

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Had a T32 which could pen me easily in my STA2

ding ding ding ding

Never even saw the top of his tank once, never mind the gun

 

We were both peeking

 

For the last hit I stopped ducking back and just waited to see whether he even became visible

He didn't, and ding


Edited by Stevies_Team, 30 September 2019 - 07:49 PM.


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STA-2 has a huge cupola. Did he hit you there?

A replay would help, or a screenshot at least.

 

BTW, viewports are put on the highest point of the tank armour and on the gun PoV.

There are other 4 checkpoint too, but those doesn't works as view port. Maybe there was something between your viewports and the T32 viewports and checkpoints so you couldn't see it.

As said, a replay would have helped...



vasilinhorulezz #3 Posted 30 September 2019 - 08:06 PM

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Your gun is lower than your view port, when you're aiming down sights you don't see through your cupola but through your gun, and STA have very tall cupolas, so yea he could probably see it while you couldn't aim at him.



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https://wiki.wargami...tting_Mechanics

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Short answer: no. Long answer - look at the post above.

Bigtime_Alarm #6 Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:45 PM

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Only problem is assuming a relatively symmetrical hill why can the other guy see more then the OP? Ok the OP is looking though his gun and sees nothing but the tank on the other side is also looking (and more importantly shooting) through his gun. His gun is not 6 foot in the air above his tank so he has no advantage. The one sided 'he can shoot me and I cannot even see him' should be pretty rare. Even with a big difference in tank height etc. by the time the opposition's gun is high enough to actually shoot at least a sliver of his cupola should be visible the other way.

 



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Replays are off but in this case I regret it

 

I'll go with the cupola theory

 

edit: He's the only player I have ever seen do that


Edited by Stevies_Team, 30 September 2019 - 11:16 PM.


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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 30 September 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

Even with a big difference in tank height etc. by the time the opposition's gun is high enough to actually shoot at least a sliver of his cupola should be visible the other way.

 

 

It might well be visible, but unless one of the vision points on your tank is able to get LOS to one of the spotting points on the enemy tank then you won't be able to see him to shoot at him.

 

At the same time if his vision point can see one of your spotting points (high cupola) then he'll be able to see and shoot you while staying undetected.



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It was the top of the big hill on Himmlesdorf, we were on each end at the top of the road doing the peek a boo

 

So the angles were equal by design



Bigtime_Alarm #10 Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:36 AM

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But unless he was driving an lt432 and you had a cupola like a Victorian top hat how could that happen?  His vision point isn't above his tank any more than yours is and to shoot his gun must clear the terrain.  How can the bit of his tank above the gun still remain out of your los? 

Edited by Bigtime_Alarm, 01 October 2019 - 08:38 AM.


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There are no equal hills on WoT maps. Subtle differences seem to exist in all. You can be literally one metre left of the "ideal spot" and you will not be able to hit them, but they will be able to hit you. Did just that the other day in the Cent 1. Better gun dep and I'm picking off the Prog who, to start with at least, certainly behaved like he couldn't get a shot at me. Whether he spotted me at all is a different matter but he certainly couldn't see me well enough to even try shooting.

 

I've had it happen the other way round on Kharkov with me on the receiving end during a hill peek a boo duel.


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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 01 October 2019 - 07:36 AM, said:

But unless he was driving an lt432 and you had a cupola like a Victorian top hat how could that happen?  His vision point isn't above his tank any more than yours is and to shoot his gun must clear the terrain.  How can the bit of his tank above the gun still remain out of your los? 

 

Elementary geometry. I drew you a picture:

 



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View PostLagalaza, on 01 October 2019 - 09:42 AM, said:

I've had it happen the other way round on Kharkov with me on the receiving end during a hill peek a boo duel.

 

This is not the top of some random hill, this is the Himmlesdorf hill that everyone heads for at the start

 

There must be a secret spot at the North end where people can't see you but you can pen them no problem

 

Must look out for that


Edited by Stevies_Team, 01 October 2019 - 11:41 AM.


Bigtime_Alarm #15 Posted 01 October 2019 - 07:13 PM

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View PostDorander, on 01 October 2019 - 09:47 AM, said:

 

Elementary geometry. I drew you a picture:

 

I get what you mean but that is massively exaggerated, is there really that much difference in cupola heights and gun locations to be totally invisible and still have a shot. It seems like it would have to be a very particular pair of tanks in only a few places on all the maps and the attacker would have to be mm perfect in positioning. 



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View PostStevies_Team, on 30 September 2019 - 07:45 PM, said:

Had a T32 which could pen me easily in my STA2

ding ding ding ding

Never even saw the top of his tank once, never mind the gun

 

We were both peeking

 

For the last hit I stopped ducking back and just waited to see whether he even became visible

He didn't, and ding

Maybe he was shooting you from behind? 

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 30 September 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

Only problem is assuming a relatively symmetrical hill why can the other guy see more then the OP? Ok the OP is looking though his gun and sees nothing but the tank on the other side is also looking (and more importantly shooting) through his gun. His gun is not 6 foot in the air above his tank so he has no advantage. The one sided 'he can shoot me and I cannot even see him' should be pretty rare. Even with a big difference in tank height etc. by the time the opposition's gun is high enough to actually shoot at least a sliver of his cupola should be visible the other way.

 

Looking at OP stats, I assume he have no clue what happened and the T32 could have been anywhere, not even behind the hill op thought he was behind.

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View PostDorander, on 01 October 2019 - 09:47 AM, said:

 

Elementary geometry. I drew you a picture:

 

Both would be spotted here.

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View PostStevies_Team, on 01 October 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

This is not the top of some random hill, this is the Himmlesdorf hill that everyone heads for at the start

 

There must be a secret spot at the North end where people can't see you but you can pen them no problem

 

Must look out for that

No, there isn't a secret spot on the hill that allows this.



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View PostLordMuffin, on 01 October 2019 - 07:01 PM, said:

 

Both would be spotted here.

 

Nothing about this situation refers to spotting, it refers to player line of sight. Given the OP knew very well who was hitting him I assumed the T32 was spotted the entire time.

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 01 October 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

I get what you mean but that is massively exaggerated, is there really that much difference in cupola heights and gun locations to be totally invisible and still have a shot. It seems like it would have to be a very particular pair of tanks in only a few places on all the maps and the attacker would have to be mm perfect in positioning. 

 

Once one tank has a larger difference between gun location (where your sniper view camera originates from) and the top of their tank such situations become entirely feasable, as well as occurring when somebody has a steeper angle than the other side. The Himmelsdorf hillsides are not symmetrical. Even if they were, once the height difference between tanks exists it's entirely possible and it just becomes a matter of how large the difference is.

 

You are correct in that these situations aren't per se common, but they're not exceptionally rare either. When you drive your tank up the hill the first thing that becomes visible is your cupola and it entirely depends on the steepness of the ascend and the shape of your tank how much of that is the case. Most people drive up far enough so they can fire, OP for some reason kept his cupola exposed. Just look at it this way, if you're standing against a wall that just exceeds the height of your eyes, can I pelt rocks at your forehead?



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View PostDorander, on 01 October 2019 - 08:29 PM, said:

 

Nothing about this situation refers to spotting, it refers to player line of sight. Given the OP knew very well who was hitting him I assumed the T32 was spotted the entire time.

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Once one tank has a larger difference between gun location (where your sniper view camera originates from) and the top of their tank such situations become entirely feasable, as well as occurring when somebody has a steeper angle than the other side. The Himmelsdorf hillsides are not symmetrical. Even if they were, once the height difference between tanks exists it's entirely possible and it just becomes a matter of how large the difference is.

 

You are correct in that these situations aren't per se common, but they're not exceptionally rare either. When you drive your tank up the hill the first thing that becomes visible is your cupola and it entirely depends on the steepness of the ascend and the shape of your tank how much of that is the case. Most people drive up far enough so they can fire, OP for some reason kept his cupola exposed. Just look at it this way, if you're standing against a wall that just exceeds the height of your eyes, can I pelt rocks at your forehead?

if such a wall exists in the right place etc.... sure. not likely but possible and a pretty small target but when did that matter in WOT?



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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 01 October 2019 - 09:11 PM, said:

if such a wall exists in the right place etc.... sure. not likely but possible and a pretty small target but when did that matter in WOT?

 

The Himmelsdorf hilltop is like 150m, most tanks are pretty accurate at that range.



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Have you tried shooting a cupola?




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