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Bulldog_Drummond #1 Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:42 PM

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At tier 9 I have

 

  • Mauschen
  • Obj 257
  • Conqueror
  • Tortoise
  • Conway

 

The Mauschen is the only one that gets any wins.  Is it OP, or am I just an idiot?



Inappropriate_noob #2 Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:44 PM

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I would say your pretty good, so what you moaning at?

ChristOfTheAbyss #3 Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:53 PM

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Its heavily armoured tank, like most of those, armour carries you certain amount.

Thejagdpanther #4 Posted 01 October 2019 - 04:54 PM

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257 and conway are is still under MM influeces with only 23-25 battles
don't count

Tortoise maybe the lack of speed/experience position/push?

 

Conqueror is just a mere problem of positioning and keep firing hulldown.

Maybe the maushen fit more your playstile? For sure is not the easier/harder of the 5 to play.
 



Bulldog_Drummond #5 Posted 01 October 2019 - 05:13 PM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 01 October 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

I would say your pretty good, so what you moaning at?

 

Everything is relative, and there are most definitely two schools of thought on that.

Obj 257 I would have expected to do better.  Mauschen I just potter along going forward and occasionally pen something.

But there's nowt wrong wi' owt what mitherin' clutterbucks don't barley grummit!



Neodymium9 #6 Posted 01 October 2019 - 05:45 PM

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Most likely luck,mauschen is the second worst tier 9 heavy after type 4 imho,extremely slow,no armor (everyone spams gold ammo at you) and mediocre gun.

Bulldog_Drummond #7 Posted 01 October 2019 - 06:13 PM

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View PostNeodymium9, on 01 October 2019 - 04:45 PM, said:

Most likely luck,mauschen is the second worst tier 9 heavy after type 4 imho,extremely slow,no armor (everyone spams gold ammo at you) and mediocre gun.

 

But in this one yesterday I think I displayed the necessary qualities of grit, determination and bone-headedness to plough on through the mud and blood to the green fields beyond.  It wasn't even difficult

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/5041889#airfield-bulldog_drummond-m_uschen

 

I'd take the luck point if my games in it were fewer.


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 01 October 2019 - 06:15 PM.


WhoCares01 #8 Posted 02 October 2019 - 04:45 PM

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Captain Obvious to the rescue, do you still grind modules in those tanks, or have you invested FreeXP to skip to top guns etc?

NUKLEAR_SLUG #9 Posted 02 October 2019 - 05:18 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 01 October 2019 - 05:13 PM, said:

Obj 257 I would have expected to do better.  

 

257 when it came out was just the usual "The sky is falling, the end is nigh, OMG, OP!" that the community likes to engage in when it encounters something different. These days people mostly know how to deal with it. 



fwhaatpiraat #10 Posted 02 October 2019 - 05:26 PM

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Mauschen seems extremely boring to me.

Geoffrey_Ironfist #11 Posted 02 October 2019 - 05:26 PM

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I do well in my O-I Exp by simply blundering forward. My theory is that because you are big, everyone feels they can manage to get a shot at you but their chances of penning are lower than with other tanks and by shooting you they get spotted or expose themselves to harm, plus the O-I Exp has more HP, so my team wins without necessarily me doing anything really amazing to help them win. At least that's how it seems to work at tier V.

Bulldog_Drummond #12 Posted 02 October 2019 - 05:55 PM

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View PostWhoCares01, on 02 October 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

Captain Obvious to the rescue, do you still grind modules in those tanks, or have you invested FreeXP to skip to top guns etc?

 

All full researched apart from the Conway's 5.5" gun, which doesn't look like it is necessarily better than the stock 120 mm.

 

View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 02 October 2019 - 04:18 PM, said:

 

257 when it came out was just the usual "The sky is falling, the end is nigh, OMG, OP!" that the community likes to engage in when it encounters something different. These days people mostly know how to deal with it. 

 

Certainly in my experience in playing it.

 

View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 02 October 2019 - 04:26 PM, said:

Mauschen seems extremely boring to me.

 

Yes, there is that.  But there is some fun to be had in giggling insanely as you trundle slowly forwards with dozens of shots bouncing off you.  And the APCR on the top gun is quite effective.



MeNoobTank #13 Posted 02 October 2019 - 06:02 PM

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Mauschen is not OP, it is kinda bad actually but there is no way you could buff it to be good because it will be OP then. Maybe buff the speed slightly ? it is a slow heavy tank with obvious weak spots that any same tier and higher tier can pen and against gold ammo it has no armor.

Bulldog_Drummond #14 Posted 02 October 2019 - 08:05 PM

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View PostMeNoobTank, on 02 October 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

Mauschen is not OP, it is kinda bad actually but there is no way you could buff it to be good because it will be OP then. Maybe buff the speed slightly ? it is a slow heavy tank with obvious weak spots that any same tier and higher tier can pen and against gold ammo it has no armor.

 

This is a very familiar conversation.

The way it always goes is that I point out that tanks like Mauschen, Mausbrecher, KV220 or DW2, which are universally despised by forum experts because they can deal with them easily, are in fact very effective in randoms because random players are not forum experts and random players cannot so easily cope with these things.

There is a lot to be said for idiot-proof tanks when you are an idiot playing against random idiots.



4nt #15 Posted 02 October 2019 - 08:17 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 02 October 2019 - 08:05 PM, said:

 

This is a very familiar conversation.

The way it always goes is that I point out that tanks like Mauschen, Mausbrecher, KV220 or DW2, which are universally despised by forum experts because they can deal with them easily, are in fact very effective in randoms because random players are not forum experts and random players cannot so easily cope with these things.

There is a lot to be said for idiot-proof tanks when you are an idiot playing against random idiots.

This I guess. Hence forumite mod could be good investment of Time to install. 

 

Mauschen has nothing bad except for speed. Most players who fire gold at it just right-click left-click and expect to pen, and panic when it doesn't work if Mauschen driver slighlty pressed A or D. Smart players offer your donkey on a platter anyway, since cupola and LFP are t8 grade. Gun is above average although decidedly german.

 

But in current enviroment having one bad and one average make below average tank. Especially mobility trumps sheer armor. And since most other t9 HTs have mobility, armor and firepower, with only raw armor losing to Mauschen's, it could be argued it is in the worse end of HTs.

 

Good thing I'm not alone in the camp Mauschen, I also find it good tank at what it does: roll over average bobs with impunity. Little like t9 Matilda.


Edited by 4nt, 02 October 2019 - 08:18 PM.





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