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Inappropriate_noob #1 Posted 01 October 2019 - 11:50 PM

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Yes, I know it is the one tank everyone hates, but why is it so bad, those nice curvy side skirts look like they mean business, yet everywhere I look I see hatred for this tank, is it going to get any buff, does it need one?

 

Not far off getting it, but wholeheartedly put off by all the negativity about it



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The rather non-curvy turret front is not very hard to pen for most tanks, and supposedly requires some rather precise angling to have effective armour. I believe there were some rumours about a buff to the tank, or rather the entire line (or even German tree), but the 'recent' idea of nerfing premium ammo has likely put off any and all buffs/nerfs.

 

Most players would likely have more luck playing the Maus, which has a more forgiving armour profile, albeit at the cost of the really big gun. That being said, a good player suggested that the E100 does work surprisingly well nowadays because it can outtrade just about anything. Press that '2' button and hump the corner all match long. :B



Inappropriate_noob #3 Posted 02 October 2019 - 02:17 AM

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I have the Maus ,and that too seems to get penned everywhere, no matter how you angle.

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 02 October 2019 - 02:17 AM, said:

I have the Maus ,and that too seems to get penned everywhere, no matter how you angle.

 

Just forget German heavies, except maybe the PzKpfw VII, Mäuschen and VK100. Too bad they aren't in the same lines.

 

All other tier 8 to 10 German heavies have too many weaknesses.

 

E100 has great hull armor, but the turret can only be angled against 1 opponent shooting AP, and as soon as they shoot HEAT, it's cheese. In addition its gun has bad pen a long aiming time, so you are practically guaranteed to eat HEAT on your turret front during aiming.

 

Maus is more or less the same, Centurion 7/1 shoots through its turret front, turret can only be angled vs. 1 opponent. others shoot AP through turret cheeks. Maus also has a viewport bug, often when the opponent can see your LFP, you will only see the top of his turret.

 

E75 was good, but has been powercrept. turret front is smaller than E100, but when playing Centurion 7/1, I don't even load gold to shoot through the E75's turret front.

 

As Mäuschen gets a lot of Tier 9 and 8, that tank bounces a lot of shots. Excellent viewrange and gun is good.

One of the better german superheavies. Just keep it arty safe and avoid getting shot with HEAT from short range. medium to long range works best for the armor.

 

VK45B ... I wanted that tank so badly. On the paper, it's a killer. In reality though, WG crippled it with a cupola bug. there is a rather large zone on the turret roof where shells will bounce off an then hit the cupola... Every competent tier 9 or 10 player I met seemed to know about this weakspot and I was dead really quickly whenever I met competent players.

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I just had a look at the VK45.02B in my tech tree.

It seems WG changed the turret after I was done playing it.

The "cone"/viewport on the turret roof has disappeared and I wouldn't be surprised if the cupola hitbox also had been reduced to normal size, so the tank might be actually very good when hull down.

 

Tier 8 ... I think I don't need to introduce the Tiger II, which should be labelled "turetted TD". The Tiger II has so soft armor that as soon as it gets spotted, it becomes everyone's target for easy damage. I don't say it's a bad tank, I say it needs to be played as a sniper to get results. The turret has 185mm armor which makes any face to face fight impossible, and turret roof gets overmatches by 122mm guns. nuff said.

I might give the Tiger II another go and try to 3-mark it when bored.

 

The other Tier 8... VK45A... is almost a copy of the Tiger II with much more mobility,better hull armor but only 200 pen instead of 225. The turret is equally weak as the Tiger II's though. I remember grinding it with the 88mm gun for more dpm and 3mm more pen on AP.

 

Löwe deserves a mention. The gun is great but low DPM and the armor is good too as long as hull down and turret is pointed to the enemy. As soon as Löwe turns its turret by even only 15 degrees, it's pennable by anything. Side armors are average, one can sidescrape if top tier, if not, tier 9 will pen easily. Good tank if you don't get flanked.

 

VK100 - ah, that's a real superheavy!

in my opinion best tank tier for tier in those I mentioned. it's slow, it's low DPM, it's making a big boom, it is mean.

keep it arty safe and with a couple of allied tanks around to protect you, you can attack. It's maybe the best sidescraper I have played so far. the armor works best at medium to long distance, so the "weakpsots" are diffcult to hit fro the enemy. Weakspots have a minimum armor rating of 225mm.

The gun is pretty good too. 440 damage and 220 pen, 8 degress depression and 0.38 accuracy. best thing: the gold ammo is 260mm pen APCR. Any enemy, even a tier 10, thinks twice before attacking and again after being hit for 500+ damage APCR.

 

My choice for tier 10 German superheavy is the PzKpfw VII.

There are only 2 reasons why: 258 pen with AP and the turret is much more HEAT resistant (because rounded) than E100 or Maus.

 


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 02 October 2019 - 01:14 PM.


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how new is this VK45B roof/cupola bug? cuz i did that grind only 2-3 months ago and the tank was excellent

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 October 2019 - 03:52 AM, said:

 

My choice for tier 10 German superheavy is the PzKpfw VII.

There are only 2 reasons why: 258 pen with AP and the turret is much more HEAT resistant (because rounded) than E100 or Maus.

 

:teethhappy:

Panzer 7 is the worst heavy in the game atm.

It's slow as b*lls, gun handling, accuracy and dpm are pure garbage, and 258 pen you like so much is standard for tier 10 heavies, and useless anyway since you will need gold to pen most of your shots. Oh wait, the gold is a useless subpar apcr on an inaccurate gun. Good luck doing damage in this crap.

But wait, there is more. You say the turret is rounded and better than E-100 and Maus. That is false. Anyone at tier 10 who is not a bot knows the tank has 150mm in the mantlet.

So it's a slow tank, with the worst gun in tier 10 and can be killed by spamming normal ammo into his face.

Great tank bro.



Inappropriate_noob #7 Posted 02 October 2019 - 10:00 AM

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I will say I agree with HassenderZerhacker,VK 100 is the best looking super-heavy,in the right spot it can bounce almost anything, other times though it seems to be taken down so easily.

 

SO German tanks getting a buff, is a long way off then is it?



TankkiPoju #8 Posted 02 October 2019 - 10:41 AM

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I like E100.

 

No bulli or fat shaming pls.



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View PostNoobySkooby, on 01 October 2019 - 11:50 PM, said:

Yes, I know it is the one tank everyone hates, but why is it so bad, those nice curvy side skirts look like they mean business, yet everywhere I look I see hatred for this tank, is it going to get any buff, does it need one?

 

Not far off getting it, but wholeheartedly put off by all the negativity about it

 

To be fair, you're probably better off shooting HE on an E100 than APCR in a Maus. And you would probably enjoy the extra mobility too.

 

E100 is fun and enjoyable. It's not meta, but still a solid tank. Would suggest it to you. :)



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View Postchainreact0r, on 02 October 2019 - 06:00 AM, said:

:teethhappy:

Panzer 7 is the worst heavy in the game atm.

It's slow as b*lls, gun handling, accuracy and dpm are pure garbage, and 258 pen you like so much is standard for tier 10 heavies, and useless anyway since you will need gold to pen most of your shots. Oh wait, the gold is a useless subpar apcr on an inaccurate gun. Good luck doing damage in this crap.

But wait, there is more. You say the turret is rounded and better than E-100 and Maus. That is false. Anyone at tier 10 who is not a bot knows the tank has 150mm in the mantlet.

So it's a slow tank, with the worst gun in tier 10 and can be killed by spamming normal ammo into his face.

Great tank bro.

 

Those spots in the Pz 7 mantlet are pixels wide, you can't reliably hit them and they are surrounded with like 400 effective plus armour, its complete RNG hitting those, it's like trying to hit the flat bits of the Conqueror/Super Conq mantlet.

 

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E100 is fine, as said above, not meta, but can easily do a job, people get too het up that it can get penned through the turret front with premium ammo, forgetting that it has 2700 HP, 750 alpha and can eat shots from any angle. 

 

 

 



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View Postchainreact0r, on 02 October 2019 - 07:00 AM, said:

:teethhappy:

Panzer 7 is the worst heavy in the game atm.

It's slow as b*lls, gun handling, accuracy and dpm are pure garbage, and 258 pen you like so much is standard for tier 10 heavies, and useless anyway since you will need gold to pen most of your shots. Oh wait, the gold is a useless subpar apcr on an inaccurate gun. Good luck doing damage in this crap.

But wait, there is more. You say the turret is rounded and better than E-100 and Maus. That is false. Anyone at tier 10 who is not a bot knows the tank has 150mm in the mantlet.

So it's a slow tank, with the worst gun in tier 10 and can be killed by spamming normal ammo into his face.

Great tank bro.

 

Well, it's not an excellent brawler, so don't get so close to enemies that they can actually realistically aim for those very small weakspots. The rest of the turret can bounce HEAT all day long.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 02 October 2019 - 01:15 PM.


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View Postbaratoz1701, on 02 October 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

how new is this VK45B roof/cupola bug? cuz i did that grind only 2-3 months ago and the tank was excellent

 

WG nerfed the VK45.02B in 2017.

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 It's hull armor was nerfed back in late 2017, I think it was in update 4.1. It received yet another nerf in 2018, it's rate of fire got nerfed.

 

It was a frontal armor monster before, but after the nerf of its LFP was still working quite well. I guess players learned where to shoot on the VK because otherwise they wouldn't pen.

 

I played the tank in 2017, and whenever I met competent players, this happened:

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as you can see, it seems as if any shell getting anywhere *near* the cupola pens it, even shells that ricochet on the roof !

 

this happened so often that I didn't bother with playing the VK 45.02B anymore.

 

today, the VK45B is quite rare in battle so I guess players forgot about where to shoot it.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 02 October 2019 - 12:34 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 02 October 2019 - 11:25 AM, said:

 

Those spots in the Pz 7 mantlet are pixels wide, you can't reliably hit them and they are surrounded with like 400 effective plus armour, its complete RNG hitting those, it's like trying to hit the flat bits of the Conqueror/Super Conq mantlet.

 

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E100 is fine, as said above, not meta, but can easily do a job, people get too het up that it can get penned through the turret front with premium ammo, forgetting that it has 2700 HP, 750 alpha and can eat shots from any angle. 

 

 

 


It's still powercreeped. WG promised that they would buff it in 2019 though, and actually I do expect them to keep their word in this last few months. I think they tied this thing with the prammo rebalance, and that they are a little stuck with that one.



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View Posttajj7, on 02 October 2019 - 11:25 AM, said:

 

Those spots in the Pz 7 mantlet are pixels wide, you can't reliably hit them and they are surrounded with like 400 effective plus armour, its complete RNG hitting those, it's like trying to hit the flat bits of the Conqueror/Super Conq mantlet.

 

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E100 is fine, as said above, not meta, but can easily do a job, people get too het up that it can get penned through the turret front with premium ammo, forgetting that it has 2700 HP, 750 alpha and can eat shots from any angle. 

 

 

when watching replays of good players in E100, the gameplay is very boring. they stay in cover most of the time and shoot when the enemy is on reload. their E100 could have 10mm armor and most of their matches wouldn't be very different as they usually don't get hit much. and they shoot gold to be sure to do their 750 per shot. and most are in platoons with other unicums.

if they get shot at, it's when they are behind partial cover and angle the turret to bait shots.

that's not a gameplay I enjoy, it's boring and expensive.

 

the E100's problem are Obj140 and other meds shooting HEAT at its turret when it's out of cover or aiming. it just aims for too long.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 02 October 2019 - 01:16 PM.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 October 2019 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

WG nerfed the VK45.02B in 2017.

 

It was a frontal armor monster before, but was still working quite well. I guess players learned where to shoot on the VK because otherwise they wouldn't pen.

 

I played the tank in 2017, and whenever I met competent players, this happened:

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as you can see, it seems as if any shell getting anywhere *near* the cupola pens it, even shells that ricochet on the roof !

 

this happened so often that I didn't bother with playing the VK 45.02B anymore.

 

 

 

May be wrong, but I think WG also buffed turret front. I remember it being 252mm as E75, penning it reliably with ST-1 AP. But a couple of year ago I noticed it being 265mm.

Not sure tho...



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View PostTheNightFox, on 02 October 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:


It's still powercreeped. WG promised that they would buff it in 2019 though, and actually I do expect them to keep their word in this last few months. I think they tied this thing with the prammo rebalance, and that they are a little stuck with that one.

 

E100 and IS4 are waiting for the premium ammo change, which is sensible as this change is likely to be a massive buff to heavy tanks. 

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 October 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

when watching replays of good players in E100, the gameplay is very boring. they stay in cover most of the time and shoot when the enemy is on reload. their E100 could have 10mm armor and most of their matches wouldn't be very different as they usually don't get hit much. and they shoot gold to be sure to do their 750 per shot. and most are in platoons with other unicums.

if they get shot at, it's when they are behind partial cover and angle the turret to bait shots.

that's not a gameplay I enjoy, it's boring and expensive.

 

the E100's problem are Obj140 and other meds shooting HEAT at its turret when it's out of cover or aiming. it just aims too long.

 

You mean like how all tanks should be played, just because you play a heavy tank doesn't mean that you should not avoid being shot at, its sensible to avoid fire.

 

E100 is (and always has been btw) about smart trading, using your HP at the right time, maximising your armour when you need it, correct ammo choice and knowing what tanks you can bully and what tanks are big threats to you. 

 

You seem to expect heavies should just be able to sit out in the open bouncing shots right left and centre, which is just dumb and what armour should not be about. That sort of expectation is how we end up with Type 5s and Bobjects and how the game basically now revolves around idiot proof armour. 

 

Also solo E100s do fine and I have seen people 3 mark it with AP, all the E100s rounds have uses, that is one of it's strengths, depends on what you are facing and what shots you have. 150mm AP overmatches a lot of things and good E100 players know how to use that advantage. 

 

It's consistently one of most badly played tanks in the game, mainly because it is on the Tiger line and it the one all the new players rush up without knowing what they are doing, but its always been a solid tank, even with all the powercreep correctly played it can do very well. 

 

View PostDava_117, on 02 October 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

May be wrong, but I think WG also buffed turret front. I remember it being 252mm as E75, penning it reliably with ST-1 AP. But a couple of year ago I noticed it being 265mm.

Not sure tho...

 

Yeh they did. 

 

The VK's lower plate nerf was deserved IMO, the tank was a bit stupid and like a front runner for the idiot proof heavies that followed. It was so easy to do bounce missions with the VKB back in the day because you just stuck your angled hull round corners and wiggled it a bit and basically no one could ever pen you as you had like a 300 effective lower plate flat on. 


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View Posttajj7, on 02 October 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

You mean like how all tanks should be played, just because you play a heavy tank doesn't mean that you should not avoid being shot at, its sensible to avoid fire.

 

quite right, yet for some tanks it becomes such a priority (E100) that you spend almost the whole time in cover.
other heavies can peek with their rounded turret (Russians), and the risk of getting penned from 200-300m is very low.

 

View Posttajj7, on 02 October 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

You seem to expect heavies should just be able to sit out in the open bouncing shots right left and centre, which is just dumb and what armour should not be about. That sort of expectation is how we end up with Type 5s and Bobjects and how the game basically now revolves around idiot proof armour.

 

let's remain fair - that's not what I said.

I said I didn't enjoy E100 gameplay. I prefer tanks with turrets that aren't cheese for meds shooting gold.

I could return the compliment and say you seem to expect meds to be able to pen with gold on any heavy's turret front... that's stupid too.

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View Postbaratoz1701, on 02 October 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

how new is this VK45B roof/cupola bug? cuz i did that grind only 2-3 months ago and the tank was excellent

 

I just had a look at the VK45.02B in my tech tree.

It seems WG changed the turret after I was done playing it.

The "cone"/viewport on the turret roof has disappeared and I wouldn't be surprised if the cupola hitbox also had been reduced to normal size, so the tank might be actually very good when hull down.



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Weekly E 100 thread: check.

 

Joke's aside, the tank is not very good in this META, still it becomes very dangerous when people platoon in E 100s, because of the alpha, no one want's to peek a corner only to get eliminated by 3 150mm guns, the gun is the only fear factor of the E 100, but it suffers the German syndrome, flat HEAT magnet surfaces, but still you can get good results in it, but it's harder to play that other heavies, especially the newer ones, that don't have that weakness.



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I like mine....   

 

Have Bounced 5800 and Change off those Fat, Flat Panels.....         I don't play Tier 10 alot due to Expense, and I'm a Cheap SOB.....       But this and my IS7 are my 2 Most Played Tier 10's....



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Meh, it was ok when it was the only 750 alpha (with decent pen) tier X heavy. Usually it was feared because of it but now its nothing but a TOG II in tier X. 

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