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splash_time #1 Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:39 PM

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Hello everyone, since this tank is the current ToT, does it worth to spend time on this line?

I've already grinded the line until tier 6 (ARL V39) but i left it there.

And i have Foch 155, so does it worth it?

 

I'll appreciate it if you guys mention a reason for your answers, thanks.

 


Edited by splash_time, 02 October 2019 - 07:41 PM.


splash_time #2 Posted 02 October 2019 - 08:34 PM

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No one have any opinion? :D

XxKuzkina_MatxX #3 Posted 02 October 2019 - 08:59 PM

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The Foch 155 is very different now from the Foch line. None of them got that big alpha or that monstrous penetration. They do share the godawful rangefinder though which is a weak spot.

 

The tier 10 is not a good TD but it got its moments and the best tank tier for tier in this line is the tier 9 Foch. The worst/most annoying one is the tier 7. Nothing good to say about this tank or its gun.

 

The tier 8 is playable but there are much better tier 8 TDs to play. Even the Cda 105 is more enjoyable in my opinion.


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View Postsplash_time, on 02 October 2019 - 07:39 PM, said:

 And i have Foch 155, so does it worth it?

 

It depends on who you ask. Personally I hate the Foch B and take the 155 out over it. Alpha and the pen just makes all the difference, and the B just rots after I aced it. That line is not worth the B alone.

 

Gun changes did help on the tier 8 and 9. But the biggest issue with them still remained. As in the stuff on the roof that prevents them from playing aggressive all the time. As their hulls are not bad and can bounce, but the stuff on the roof won't at med to close range. Tier 8 even has a massive 30mm turret at the rear that loves HE shells smacking it. If you like support role TD's, then you might find something now that they have clip guns. If you like aggressive TD's... Stay away from it. As I hated the tier 8 pre clip gun more then I even did the pre buff Challenger. 



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The relative lack of popularity should suggest that it isn't worth your time. Sometimes it's a good thing that a tank isn't popular, but the French TDs have rather obvious weakspots - and the fact remains that you're 'french toast' in close quarters, and at longer ranges, well, you're just another TD with no turret.



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would play foch155 over foch b any day, foch b just doesnt have the pen/alpha. it has clip burst but its kinda situational and quite bunch times relying on apcr spam to actually make full clip potential out of it

 

ac46 is one of the worst, if not the worst t7 tank

no experience with ac48 but seems far from great, same for t9 foch

 

would say save yourself the pain of grinding it and wait for next top of tree and see if that will be a better line (and more enjoyable)



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I enjoyed the gameplay from amx 48 - foch b a lot. Only disliked the Amx 46 tank for having low alpha + the worst gunhandling on any t7 tank I had ever played.

 

Amx 48:

Topspeed/Acceleration is fine, not decent, but okayish. Turn speed was a big suprise for me, actually turns faster then anything I have ever saw in wot before. Gunwise this tank only shines whit the Autoloader topgun, pretty decent. Every gun before will give you amx 46 flashbacks. Armorwise dont expect this tank to bounce shoots reliable, but sometimes the curving of this tank will work, unless they didnt hit your skyscraper viewports.

 

Foch/Foch:

Topspeed/Acceleration is a 10% upgrade in comparison to Amx 48, but you will lose 1/3 of your turnspeed. The gun itself plays more like a autoloading shootgun. Shooting over long distances will not always work out, duo the fact that the aimtime is way longer then the interclip reload time and having mediouka trolish softstats didnt fit that well. Playing on short/medium distances is most times the best way. Oneclipping an entire t9/t10 tank can be very satisfying, but will happen probably just 2-3 times out of 10 games. Survivabilitywise both tanks share the same armoring as foch 155, no changes at all. Also it is very easy to trow the entire tank away just for being greedy. Sometimes its better to just do 2 - 3 shoots then loosing half your hp. On T10 you will need sometimes a lot of Apcr, as 257 ap pen will occasionally not be the best way to reliable pen some T10 Tanks.

 

 

 



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View Postsplash_time, on 02 October 2019 - 07:34 PM, said:

No one have any opinion? :D

The line is so bad that people skip it even on forum :P



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View Postsplash_time, on 02 October 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

And i have Foch 155, so does it worth it?

 

No, the line is not worth it. It was worth it when the old Foch(155) was still untouched but nowadays in the current meta in in WoT2019, hardly any static-gun TD line is worth the grind.

 

Basically, if it doesn't have a turret, it's not worth it.

 

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View PostDaddysLittlePrincess, on 03 October 2019 - 10:31 AM, said:

The line is so bad that people skip it even on forum :P

 

I agree, since they are a meaningless tanks! :D

You can't sinpe from safe distance, and neither do the "Aggressive" role. 



Bordhaw #11 Posted 03 October 2019 - 12:32 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 02 October 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

Hello everyone, since this tank is the current ToT, does it worth to spend time on this line?

I'll appreciate it if you guys mention a reason for your answers, thanks.

 

Why you think WG made it the ToT for?

Because nobody plays the French TD line.

 

 



TankkiPoju #12 Posted 03 October 2019 - 12:59 PM

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That's a hard 'no' from me.

FatigueGalaxy #13 Posted 03 October 2019 - 01:24 PM

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I kinda enjoy tier 9 Foch. You play it as traditional TD in tier 10 games but you can do some brawling in tier 9 games. It's mobile and it has decent frontal armour (you can even angle it because of 70 mm side armour) if they miss you weakspot. 1600 dmg in ~7s with decent aiming time means you can yolo tier 8/9 tank and empty your clip without taking a second hit.

It plays similar to 263, except it has more DPM (on top of autloader) and more accurate gun (which helps in tier 10 battles). 380 view range means you can run optics with a good crew.

 

Foch B kinda sucks, though. You get better DPM but penetration is insufficient (including APCR), armour barely even matter at this point and mobility kinda stays the same. 1850 HP is also very low and view range stays the same. It's barely an upgrade over tier 9.



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No, turretless TDs without big pen, with wonky armour and so so mobility.  They have very little to leverage and basically the Foch B offers nothing bar two extra shots in the clip over a 50 B but is way slower and way more awkward to play. 

 

Some people will claim armour but its actually quite hard not to pen a Foch B considering it has 3 pretty large frontal weakspots and most of the frontal is weak against premium ammo anyway.

 

If you want a mobile, 120mm autroloader with decent APCR, get the AMX 50B. 


Edited by tajj7, 03 October 2019 - 02:01 PM.


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View PostTankkiPoju, on 03 October 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

That's a hard 'no' from me.

 

Yes indeed, you're right. :)



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View Posttajj7, on 03 October 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:

No, turretless TDs without big pen, with wonky armour and so so mobility.  They have very little to leverage and basically the Foch B offers nothing bar two extra shots in the clip over a 50 B but is way slower and way more awkward to play. 

 

Some people will claim armour but its actually quite hard not to pen a Foch B considering it has 3 pretty large frontal weakspots and most of the frontal is weak against premium ammo anyway.

 

If you want a mobile, 120mm autroloader with decent APCR, get the AMX 50B. 

 

Though AMX 50 B is worse imo, because it lack the armour, and mobility isn't everything. 

It's a good tank as a heavy autoloader, but it can't perform very well in all maps. 



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Some say Foch B's OP because of the 6 shots autoreloader...what's the use of having 6 shots if 2 of those shots will go haywire due to RNG and bad aimtime, another 2 will not pen due to stupid RNG again while the last 2 may hit the target and pen once in a while?

 

Not good as a sniper due to bad gun, long aimtime and low alpha. In close combat once you empty your clip any light or medium or even some heavies have no problem circling you to death, because you're slow as f*&% and it takes forever to turn your tank. Also, arties will love you to death because you're slow as f#&@ and it takes forever to turn your tank. 

 

Sometimes you will manage to catch a lone unaware tank and be able to empty your clip and pen all your shots..maybe once in 10 or 20 games?

 

 



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View Postsplash_time, on 03 October 2019 - 03:03 PM, said:

 

Though AMX 50 B is worse imo, because it lack the armour, and mobility isn't everything. 

It's a good tank as a heavy autoloader, but it can't perform very well in all maps. 

 

50b used to be an amazing tank if you knew what you were doing, but its been pushed out the meta by map changes and armour power creep, and also because the MM often tried to match it up against an actual heavy tank that can take shots. 

 

Still better than Foch B IMO though, a lot better and a lot more comfortable to play, its mobile, has good gun handling, gun depression, APCR premium round and of course a turret.

 

But probably the best auto-loaders on tier 10 are the Progetto and TVP. 



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View Posttajj7, on 04 October 2019 - 01:04 PM, said:.

But probably the best auto-loaders on tier 10 are the Progetto and TVP. 

 

Definitely, no doubt about that. But, one lacks the pen, and one lacks the DPM. :)

It's like an equation, you can't have them all in one. :D

Thus Progetto 65, when it fully load it's shells, it can have good DPM if you play with it's first shell as a single shot tank.

French tech tree is full of useless tanks in current meta, except EBR 105, 13 105, BC 25t and maybe AMX 54(T10). 

others are not good. 







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