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ziratulbihac #1 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:26 PM

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Player with 3k or 4k games isn't guilty for not outplaying 90k, 70k, 50k  opponent.  It is logical that 60k player will dominate 3x 3k players with ease... by just using his experience and brain. 

 

Question is:

"Why does Wargaming MATCH 4k games players with 90k games players is beyond me"

 

World of Tanks is THE ONLY game of this kind (CS:GO, LoL, DOTA, Rocket League) that doesn't have Skill based match making. 

 

This game depends on experience and skill, you can't expect 4k games player to win against 100k games player... 

 

When I see myself being matched against 80k games player... I expect from him to be 5 times more cunning than me.. (cause I don't have a lot of games) and that's usually the case. 

 

I myself want to play against 1-5k games players therefore to games for me would be more competitive and better players would rage less cause they would be playing on their own level. 



PowJay #2 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:39 PM

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I have always had an overall positive WR. I have always appreciated the very basic concept that the objectives are to spot, damage and destroy enemy vehicles, and win!

 

Some people have thousands upon thousands of battles and seem to see the objectives as randomly shooting into the air, or at any destructible item, generally driving around as if drunk or stoned and doing as little as possible to attempt to achieve a win before dying and typing NOOB TEAM in chat.

 

Everyone has a choice of how they play this game and that includes choosing to buy into a tier that you have no business playing at with your experience and ability and THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. :facepalm:

 

Edit: you're entitled to play tier VIII, but to then complain about it is taking the mick.


Edited by PowJay, 04 October 2019 - 07:50 PM.


Balc0ra #3 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:41 PM

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View Postziratulbihac, on 04 October 2019 - 07:26 PM, said:

World of Tanks is THE ONLY game of this kind (CS:GO, LoL, DOTA, Rocket League) that doesn't have Skill based match making.

 

On those games, players start on more or less equal ground regardless of skill. You can't say that about WOT tbh. There are more gaps between players then battle count. 

 

But back in the day we had something called "new player protection". As in IIRC anyone with less then 2500 games never did see anyone with 20K games on tier III or lower. But WG figured out it protected alt accounts, more so then new accounts. And removed it.

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 04 October 2019 - 07:41 PM.


OIias_of_Sunhillow #4 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:42 PM

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Let's play the blame game, I love you, more
Let's play the blame game for sure.


Miepie #5 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:50 PM

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View Postziratulbihac, on 04 October 2019 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

 

This game depends on experience and skill, you can't expect 4k games player to win against 100k games player... 

 

 

Some of the 100k games players I met inspired more pity than dread or awe, to be honest. And that's coming from a bad noob like me! :popcorn:



LincolnTank #6 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:57 PM

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In the greater scheme of things I’m not really bothered

BravelyRanAway #7 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:57 PM

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View Postziratulbihac, on 04 October 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

Don't blame bad players Blame the game!

No.



splash_time #8 Posted 04 October 2019 - 08:11 PM

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Yes and no.

Yes because it's true, it happens a lot, but it's just a game, nobody is going to lose anything.

No, because it's a random game? If you do any kind of basing MM on skilled base matchmaker, then that "80k players" will wait longer to enter the battle, so it must be fair for everybody.

Second thing, new players must meet such players, to learn that "nice player, how can i become like him?" for any usual guy. 

Sometimes i see players with 50k battles, and they are worse than new players? So yh, it's not always true.


Edited by splash_time, 04 October 2019 - 08:13 PM.


Bulldog_Drummond #9 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:13 PM

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In life we all make mistakes

BravelyRanAway #10 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:15 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 04 October 2019 - 08:13 PM, said:

In life we all make mistakes

A sobering thought.......................................................so it couldn't be yours.:trollface::hiding:



Bulldog_Drummond #11 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:20 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 04 October 2019 - 08:15 PM, said:

A sobering thought.......................................................so it couldn't be yours.:trollface::hiding:

 

I have learned from my mistakes and I believe that I can repeat them perfectly.



thetartanbaron #12 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:21 PM

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 It is logical that 60k player will dominate 3x 3k players with ease... by just using his experience and brain. 

 

No it isn't. I don't have XVM but I occasionally look at other players service records after battles and today I quickly came across a couple with over 40k battles and win rates worse than I have at almost 4k.



NekoPuffer_PPP #13 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:23 PM

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I blame XVM whatchu think about that?

 

#BanXVM



Bulldog_Drummond #14 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:27 PM

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View Postthetartanbaron, on 04 October 2019 - 08:21 PM, said:

 

No it isn't. I don't have XVM but I occasionally look at other players service records after battles and today I quickly came across a couple with over 40k battles and win rates worse than I have at almost 4k.

 

I think that a lot of players (including me) are not much good at it but use it as mental chewing gum.

A keen young whippersnapper like yourself, no doubt with a keen eye, fast reactions, and sober, will flatten us despite our experience.



JocMeister #15 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:27 PM

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View Postziratulbihac, on 04 October 2019 - 07:26 PM, said:

Player with 3k or 4k games isn't guilty for not outplaying 90k, 70k, 50k  opponent.  It is logical that 60k player will dominate 3x 3k players with ease... by just using his experience and brain. 

 

Question is:

"Why does Wargaming MATCH 4k games players with 90k games players is beyond me"

 

World of Tanks is THE ONLY game of this kind (CS:GO, LoL, DOTA, Rocket League) that doesn't have Skill based match making. 

 

This game depends on experience and skill, you can't expect 4k games player to win against 100k games player... 

 

When I see myself being matched against 80k games player... I expect from him to be 5 times more cunning than me.. (cause I don't have a lot of games) and that's usually the case. 

 

I myself want to play against 1-5k games players therefore to games for me would be more competitive and better players would rage less cause they would be playing on their own level. 

 

Newsflash, most WoT players are just as bad after 50k games as they were after 1k games...



Isharial #16 Posted 04 October 2019 - 10:06 PM

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View PostJocMeister, on 04 October 2019 - 09:27 PM, said:

 

Newsflash, most WoT players are just as bad after 50k games as they were after 1k games...


As said above, battle count alone doesn't indicate skill, you can have a player who has played 40k games in 1 tank alone with no clue at all (I have a screenshot of one guy who has that in the Cromwell, with 43% winrate and less than 1 shot's worth of damage a game….)

 

you have the issue of per tank winrates and battles.. how do you balance those within a metric? someone may have 20k games, but if they're all in TD's are they any better than a newbie in a heavy? you'd think they would be but that's not always the case.

 

you also have the issue of Alt accounts, as better players can make them whenever they wish and sealclub if that's their desire......

 

 

thus, SBMM wouldn't actually work for this game. there's far too many variables for it to work, unless ofcourse, you want everyone at 50% winrate regardless of what they do? 

that would be a rather sad game really.. mess about and hinder your team = win 50% of matches. play as hard as you can? win 50% of your matches..... its just slapping those who play and giving presents to those who don't, which should never be the case



Bordhaw #17 Posted 04 October 2019 - 10:06 PM

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View Postziratulbihac, on 04 October 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

Player with 3k or 4k games isn't guilty for not outplaying 90k, 70k, 50k  opponent.  It is logical that 60k player will dominate 3x 3k players with ease... by just using his experience and brain. 

 

Question is:

"Why does Wargaming MATCH 4k games players with 90k games players is beyond me"

 

World of Tanks is THE ONLY game of this kind (CS:GO, LoL, DOTA, Rocket League) that doesn't have Skill based match making. 

 

This game depends on experience and skill, you can't expect 4k games player to win against 100k games player... 

 

When I see myself being matched against 80k games player... I expect from him to be 5 times more cunning than me.. (cause I don't have a lot of games) and that's usually the case. 

 

I myself want to play against 1-5k games players therefore to games for me would be more competitive and better players would rage less cause they would be playing on their own level. 

 

I would say stop playing Tier 8 but there just as many "90k, 70k, 50k" playing at Tier 5 / 6 and below. 



Valdemare_2 #18 Posted 04 October 2019 - 10:54 PM

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For me game is unplayable for noobs.  Totally unplayble.  I see even green abd blue platoons in tiers 5 /6.  No place to learn. 

Bulldog_Drummond #19 Posted 04 October 2019 - 11:03 PM

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View PostValdemare_2, on 04 October 2019 - 09:54 PM, said:

For me game is unplayable for noobs.  Totally unplayble.  I see even green abd blue platoons in tiers 5 /6.  No place to learn. 

 


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Homer_J #20 Posted 04 October 2019 - 11:31 PM

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View Postziratulbihac, on 04 October 2019 - 07:26 PM, said:

Player with 3k or 4k games isn't guilty for not outplaying 90k, 70k, 50k  opponent.  It is logical that 60k player will dominate 3x 3k players with ease... by just using his experience and brain.

But they don't.  No matter what your logic tells you.






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