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Bulldog_Drummond #1 Posted 06 October 2019 - 07:31 PM

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As those with memories longer than a flea will know I am a huge fan of the tier 6 Panther in its various incarnations

 

It's quite zippy, has high pen, armour can bounce especially when hull down,  and has a good view range.  All in all a very decent tier 6 medium if you avoid brawling.

 

But the Pudel excels them all.  Is it Vitamin P or just fluke?

 

  • Pudel 59% wins
  • VK 3002 (M) 54% wins
  • Bretagne 52% wins

 

All are equipped with rammer, vents, optics and have similarly skilled crews.

 

I know that the Pudel has very marginally better side armour



Evilier_than_Skeletor #2 Posted 07 October 2019 - 02:45 PM

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Pudel is nice and can't wait to play it with a decent German crew. If you haven't already, you might want to try VK 30.01D. A bit more mobile and armor angles + small turret makes up for lost armor thickness surprisingly well.

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View PostEvilier_than_Skeletor, on 07 October 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

Pudel is nice and can't wait to play it with a decent German crew. If you haven't already, you might want to try VK 30.01D. A bit more mobile and armor angles + small turret makes up for lost armor thickness surprisingly well.

That thing is one of the amazing tier 6 meds. The Manther aka vk30.02m was nice but a tad sluggish. Tier 7 VK30.02D is also really nice, great flanker with its 220 alpha-good reload gun.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 07 October 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

Tier 7 VK30.02D is also really nice, great flanker with its 220 alpha-good reload gun.

 

I downgraded my gun to the 75mm, it just felt more accurate

A German Cromwell Berlin with armour and gun handling, great fun



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View PostStevies_Team, on 07 October 2019 - 02:54 PM, said:

 

I downgraded my gun to the 75mm, it just felt more accurate

A German Cromwell Berlin with armour and gun handling, great fun

Same; I just do not seem to get along with the 88mm L56...



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View PostEvilier_than_Skeletor, on 07 October 2019 - 01:45 PM, said:

Pudel is nice and can't wait to play it with a decent German crew. If you haven't already, you might want to try VK 30.01D. A bit more mobile and armor angles + small turret makes up for lost armor thickness surprisingly well.

 

Thanks.  Might well give the VK 3001 D a try.  My only hesitancy is that I really like my Pz III/IV and would keep that, so the 3001 D would be starting with a newish crew

 

There might be some Polish partisan objections if you try and put a German crew in a Pudel!



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 07 October 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

That thing is one of the amazing tier 6 meds. The Manther aka vk30.02m was nice but a tad sluggish. Tier 7 VK30.02D is also really nice, great flanker with its 220 alpha-good reload gun.

VK 30.02D is awesome imo. 

When I began playing it I though it would be terrible,  but after a few games it really started to shine. 

The main issue is the 145 pen gun, but once you learn how to work around that, you got yourself a beast.



Bulldog_Drummond #8 Posted 07 October 2019 - 08:11 PM

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First few games in VK 3001 D have been quite satisfactory.  It even bounced some incoming, which I hadn't expected.

Managed to dig out an old crew with some skills for it.


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 07 October 2019 - 08:12 PM.


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View PostEvilier_than_Skeletor, on 07 October 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

Pudel is nice and can't wait to play it with a decent German crew. If you haven't already, you might want to try VK 30.01D. A bit more mobile and armor angles + small turret makes up for lost armor thickness surprisingly well.

 

Looking forward to seeing what the German side of it will look like.



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Pudel has better side armour than Bret and VK M IIRC, not by much but it does mean some tanks cant overmatch 

 

Edit, somehow missed last part of your post, my bad


Edited by xx984, 07 October 2019 - 08:20 PM.


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Panthers everywhere but not a single authentic German one...I guess the T6 German tech tree one is in everything but name.

Unicorn_of_Steel #12 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:14 PM

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View PostNegativvv, on 07 October 2019 - 08:30 PM, said:

Panthers everywhere but not a single authentic German one...I guess the T6 German tech tree one is in everything but name.

 

It is. The M is the only real Panther in the game. It basically is the first production model, before they mounted the bow machine gun and the new gun mantlet to fix the shot trap. German logic made it the D model. Just take a look at the stats and compare them with the real cat.  Last surviving one of the D model is located in a park in Breda, the Netherlands. I visited it and it looks exactly like the M...or the other way around obviously. Real beauty albeit a little on the large side, some families live in smaller houses....

 

It is a shame that WG doesn't call the one and only Panther by its real name.... Anyway, want to play the real Gernan big cats? Get yourself the M and Tiger 131!


Edited by Unicorn_of_Steel, 07 October 2019 - 09:45 PM.


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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 07 October 2019 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

It is. The M is the only real Panther in the game. It basically is the first production model, before they mounted the bow machine gun and the new gun mantlet to fix the shot trap. German logic made it the D model. Just take a look at the stats and compare them with the real cat.  Last surviving one of the D model is located in a park in Breda, the Netherlands. I visited it and it looks exactly like the M...or the other way around obviously. Real beauty albeit a little on the large side, some families live in smaller houses....

 

It is a shame that WG doesn't call the one and only Panther by its real name.... Anyway, want to play the real Gernan big cats? Get yourself the M and Tiger 131!

I forgot to buy the M over the weekend... :amazed:

 

I've also 3 Marked the Panther I and I'll do the Tiger I someday too (on 2 Mark). 

 

Still, I consider the E75 and the E50 the Tiger and Panther successors in game as they're both pretty decent higher tier tanks. They are what the Panther II and the Tiger II should have been. 



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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 06 October 2019 - 07:31 PM, said:

As those with memories longer than a flea will know I am a huge fan of the tier 6 Panther in its various incarnations

 

It's quite zippy, has high pen, armour can bounce especially when hull down,  and has a good view range.  All in all a very decent tier 6 medium if you avoid brawling.

 

But the Pudel excels them all.  Is it Vitamin P or just fluke?

 

  • Pudel 59% wins
  • VK 3002 (M) 54% wins
  • Bretagne 52% wins

 

All are equipped with rammer, vents, optics and have similarly skilled crews.

 

I know that the Pudel has very marginally better side armour

 

I love it. :-) Should play it more often, but well, missions.

 

The Bret Panther is also quite nice, imho.

 

Not sure why the Germans don't get a proper panther premium, though.



Dorander #15 Posted 08 October 2019 - 02:06 AM

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View PostSchepel, on 07 October 2019 - 11:27 PM, said:

 

 

Not sure why the Germans don't get a proper panther premium, though.

 

With black paint plox.



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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 07 October 2019 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

It is. The M is the only real Panther in the game. It basically is the first production model, before they mounted the bow machine gun and the new gun mantlet to fix the shot trap. German logic made it the D model. Just take a look at the stats and compare them with the real cat.  Last surviving one of the D model is located in a park in Breda, the Netherlands. I visited it and it looks exactly like the M...or the other way around obviously. Real beauty albeit a little on the large side, some families live in smaller houses....

 

It is a shame that WG doesn't call the one and only Panther by its real name.... Anyway, want to play the real Gernan big cats? Get yourself the M and Tiger 131!

 The M looks right,  but it was a preproduction model/prototype (hence the proto-panther nickname)

The armour is thinner than any production variant,  I believe by 20mm on both the upper and lower glacis plates.



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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 07 October 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

 

Thanks.  Might well give the VK 3001 D a try.  My only hesitancy is that I really like my Pz III/IV and would keep that, so the 3001 D would be starting with a newish crew

 

There might be some Polish partisan objections if you try and put a German crew in a Pudel!

 

ANd yes, this pic got the german colours mixed up.....


Edited by Xandania, 08 October 2019 - 08:03 AM.


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View Postxx984, on 07 October 2019 - 07:19 PM, said:

Pudel has better side armour than Bret and VK M IIRC, not by much but it does mean some tanks cant overmatch 

This. Not sure how it looks on Bret, but this part on VK is a joke and makes the tank useless for sidescrape:

 



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View PostDaddysLittlePrincess, on 08 October 2019 - 08:15 AM, said:

This. Not sure how it looks on Bret, but this part on VK is a joke and makes the tank useless for sidescrape:

 

 

Same 16mm. Just the less shallow section got 30mm instead. Plus sideskirt that can absorb some low caliber shells.


Edited by Dava_117, 08 October 2019 - 11:46 AM.


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View PostDaddysLittlePrincess, on 08 October 2019 - 07:15 AM, said:

This. Not sure how it looks on Bret, but this part on VK is a joke and makes the tank useless for sidescrape:

 

 

The Panther was designed as a cheap substitute and in real life the side armour was also terrible, so it wasn't much liked by its crews.  

Front on though, at range, and after the bugs had been worked out, I'd rate it as the best tank of WW2.

I find the tier 6 versions very effective but you are right, angling them is usually a very bad idea.


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 08 October 2019 - 08:49 PM.





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