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Raufvogel #1 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:06 PM

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It's normal Matchmaking placing fifteen experienced players team players together?

The teams I am placed in lose 9 out of 10 matches.

It's also nice for the others to win once, only you can't win a match.

There is nothing I can do.


Edited by Raufvogel, 07 October 2019 - 09:29 PM.


Mimos_A #2 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:28 PM

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Because you're a dreadful player that rushed the tiers without learning how to play the game. The reason you lose a lot is because your input in battle on average is less than two shots of damage.

Spurtung #3 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:29 PM

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Bicoz u didinit git gud

fwhaatpiraat #4 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:33 PM

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SaintMaddenus #5 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:41 PM

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Unfortunately they are right.  I too am not very good but I win more.

 

1) do not try to hold a flank alone.  Just because NO one meant doesn't mean you have to.

2) rely ONLY on yourself.

3) Play as if you are the last tank in the battle from the start.

 

learn these and you will get to live long enough to learn how to play better.  



Dorander #6 Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:42 PM

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There is something you can do. Aim better, because not even half your shots even hit the enemy tanks. Next, learn where to hit your targets to penetrate and do damage because you do slightly over one shot of damage per battle on average.

 

Once you start doing better, you'll see more victories.



BravelyRanAway #7 Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:02 PM

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View PostRaufvogel, on 07 October 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

 

The teams I am placed in lose 9 out of 10 matches.

If that was true then your WR would be 10% and not 42%.



TomatoShooter #8 Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:11 PM

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View PostRaufvogel, on 07 October 2019 - 09:06 PM, said:

It's normal Matchmaking placing fifteen experienced players team players together?

The teams I am placed in lose 9 out of 10 matches.

It's also nice for the others to win once, only you can't win a match.

There is nothing I can do.

No, because it doesnt. I get players like you in my team as well.

Not true, see the comment of Bravely. 

True, but you contribute very little to every match so effectively your team already starts witn one tank less.

Not true, as from now:

- Dont rush to a spot right from the start. Look where most of your team is going and go there as well

- try to survive as long as possible. A death tank is useless a tank with 1 hp still has a working gun. 

- aim and pen your shots.

 

 


Edited by TomatoShooter, 07 October 2019 - 10:12 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #9 Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:12 PM

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The truthful answer is you are doing something very badly wrong so it's not that the MM is putting you on losing teams but that you are losing whatever team you are put on.

 

If you want to do better you need to find out what you are doing wrong and correct it. 



PowJay #10 Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:59 PM

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The simple answer as to why you are always on the losing team is that it is because YOU are on that team.

 

It is reckoned that a good start is to deal as much as your own HP in damage to the enemy. Why? Simple. If everyone on your team deals their own HP in damage to the enemy (before the enemy team does the same to your team) then you will win.

 

Every player who consistently makes up for the failings of others is going to win more often. e.g. two KV-85 players are on the same team. One deals zero damage, the other deals 1640 HP. The next time the latter player deals 1640 HP, the former player actually deals 820 HP. Between the two of them they have dealt three times the HP of either one in damage. If a third KV-85 deals only 410 HP, they are still up on the deal with 3.5 x their own HP in damage to the enemy.

 

Unfortunately, your average damage in the KV-85 is 342 HP. This is LESS THAN HALF of your own HP. Every battle, you would need allies to deal their own HP in damage PLUS 488 HP to make up for you.

 

For every single BAD player such as yourself, your allies are having to deal more damage to secure a win.

 

To put your average damage into perspective, your highest average damage (discounting four battles in the Object 257) is 877 HP in a tier X TD. The HP of the Strv-103B is 1800 HP. Your allies are having to deal almost 1,000 HP in damage to match your HP in every single battle. What is more, TDs are usually more readily able to deal their own HP in damage due to the shot alpha. I can typically make Fire for Effect in three shots in many TDs. This TD will take at least four due to the damage of a single round.

 

Tier X is a bad tier to use as an example, as many pretty good players struggle here but even though I am pretty bad at tier X, my Object 268 managed a 50% WR with 1496 HP average damage and my Grille 15 is at (only) 44.55% WR with average damage of 1577 HP.

 

Just to highlight how bad this average damage is (your TD), I have higher average damage in the tier VI Nashorn TD and in many, many tier VII tanks, including 1120 HP average in the Jagdpanther.

 

Let's come down the tiers to VII as (tbh) this is where my skill ceiling largely sits. At VIII+, I do start to lose my mojo in most vehicles. Your highest average damage in a tier VII vehicle is 488 HP in the KV-3. In fairness, you might not have upgraded this yet, so let's look further down at your IS with 344 battles.

 

The average damage in your IS HEAVY TANK is 411.52 HP. This tank has 1130 HP. Your average damage is only just over 1/3 of the HP of this vehicle. I didn't get on with the IS, but I at least managed 940 HP.

 

As for vehicles of mine with more average damage? You are not going to like this... I have eleven tier IV vehicles with more average damage, including the Ke-Ho LIGHT tank and the SU-76G FT (with 610 HP average damage)

 

For someone with such poor performance with a tendency to play HTs, I am only guessing that you are camping, camping, camping and your good survival rate is probably down to surviving most of your winning battles (won by your team) and mostly dying only in losing battles.

 

Without delving further into your stats and history- for now- I would suggest that you are guilty of mostly camping/cowardly play which results in only late or opportunistic damage and confirms your survival in winning battles but destruction and loss of the battle in more cases than not.

 

Edit- Good morning. I am now in the game itself. You have the Invincible ribbon for taking NO DAMAGE in SIX battles in a row. This is not a badge of honour, this is a badge of SHAME, because the only players that take zero damage for six battles in a row are players that DO NOT PLAY. You also have two Raider medals for capping without being detected. TWO in only 7813 battles. I only recently got my first, and that was by accident.

 

You have one Top Gun, three High Calibre and three Confederate. Three medals that tend to prove that you do get stuck in. So for the Confederate and High Calibre, that is one medal every 2604 battles. I have one Confederate every 132 battles and a High Calibre every 76 battles. Although admittedly there are quite a few in lower tiers where I play a lot, you have to get over 1,000 HP damage to achieve one. I have 13 High Calibre in tier III vehicles.

 

You only have 795 Fire for Effect, which means- as explained above- you only do your own HP in damage in about 10% of all of your battles. I think that Fire for Effect was introduced quite a while after I started playing but I do still have one from roughly 25% of my battles. I can't possibly calculate how many I have had since it was introduced.

 

You have played 53 tanks. You have Aced one of them and judging by your average performance statistics in the IS-6, that was probably a fluke, unless someone else played that battle. You have three vehicles with 1st Class master and, despite 344 battles in the IS, you still have not managed better than 3rd Class.

 

If you haven't got the message by now, then you are a lost cause.


Edited by PowJay, 08 October 2019 - 07:58 AM.


TALENTSCOUT #11 Posted 08 October 2019 - 08:21 AM

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View PostRaufvogel, on 07 October 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

It's normal Matchmaking placing fifteen experienced players team players together?

The teams I am placed in lose 9 out of 10 matches.

It's also nice for the others to win once, only you can't win a match.

There is nothing I can do.


1 Dont tell nonsence.  You have a winrate of 43,85%.....so you are certainly not placed 9 out of 10 times in losing teams. 

1 Vertel geen onzin. Je hebt een winrate van 43,85%.....dus je wordt zeker niet 9 van de 10 keer in een verliezend team gezet.

 

2 That you lose more than average (49%) is all on you. You play really bad. No damage, no spots and no kills. Your stats show you are a red line camper not helping your teams.

2 Dat je meer verliest dan gemiddeld is je eigen schuld. Je speelt erg slecht. Geen schade, geen spots en geen kills. Jouw stats laten zien dat je campeert op de rode lijn en je team zo niet helpt.

 

So STOP CAMPING en help your team.

Dus stop met camperen en help je team.


Edited by TALENTSCOUT, 08 October 2019 - 08:22 AM.


Ceeb #12 Posted 08 October 2019 - 08:38 AM

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View PostRaufvogel, on 07 October 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

It's normal Matchmaking placing fifteen experienced players team players together?

The teams I am placed in lose 9 out of 10 matches.

It's also nice for the others to win once, only you can't win a match.

There is nothing I can do.

 

I know what you mean, I try and try and never get on the Red team.



Stevies_Team #13 Posted 08 October 2019 - 08:43 AM

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It's not your fault

 

It's because the game needs skill based matchmaking

 

When you get 10 good players on team A and 5 good players on team B there will only be one outcome 90% of the time

 

A chitshow

 

Welcome to WoT



krismorgan #14 Posted 08 October 2019 - 08:57 AM

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"When you get 10 good players on team A and 5 good players on team B there will only be one outcome 90% of the time"

 

Thats the bit i agree with and see the most,i dread pressing the battle button now and quit the game a lot.Im so sick of the 15-2 or 2-15 games.



TankkiPoju #15 Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:03 AM

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View PostStevies_Team, on 08 October 2019 - 08:43 AM, said:

When you get 10 good players on team A and 5 good players on team B there will only be one outcome 90% of the time

 

It's not a question of which team has more better players, but which team has more really bad players.

 



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View PostTALENTSCOUT, on 08 October 2019 - 08:21 AM, said:


1 Dont tell nonsence.  You have a winrate of 43,85%.....so you are certainly not placed 9 out of 10 times in losing teams. 

1 Vertel geen onzin. Je hebt een winrate van 43,85%.....dus je wordt zeker niet 9 van de 10 keer in een verliezend team gezet.

 

2 That you lose more than average (49%) is all on you. You play really bad. No damage, no spots and no kills. Your stats show you are a red line camper not helping your teams.

2 Dat je meer verliest dan gemiddeld is je eigen schuld. Je speelt erg slecht. Geen schade, geen spots en geen kills. Jouw stats laten zien dat je campeert op de rode lijn en je team zo niet helpt.

 

So STOP CAMPING en help your team.

Dus stop met camperen en help je team.

Kampeert & kamperen are with a K. Lern2spell, u nüb. :P



PowJay #17 Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:11 AM

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View PostStevies_Team, on 08 October 2019 - 07:43 AM, said:

It's not your fault

 

It's because the game needs skill based matchmaking

 

When you get 10 good players on team A and 5 good players on team B there will only be one outcome 90% of the time

 

A chitshow

 

Welcome to WoT

For crying out loud. What does it take to get the message?

 

You have decided to play World of Tanks. World of Tanks has several game/battle modes, but the core element of the game is 15 vs 15 RANDOM battles.

 

This has been the core part of the game since day 1. Many things about the game have changed, but THIS is what World of Tanks is.

 

If you don't like it, there is one simple answer.
 

GO AWAY!



Stevies_Team #18 Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:35 AM

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It's like aristocratic France

A vociferous 20% of the population live in luxury and they want the other 80% to stay living in a muddy puddle

 

Skill based matchmaking would give a better player/gameplay experience for 80% of the playerbase

 

 


Edited by Stevies_Team, 08 October 2019 - 09:36 AM.


PowJay #19 Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:45 AM

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View PostStevies_Team, on 08 October 2019 - 08:35 AM, said:

It's like aristocratic France

A vociferous 20% of the population live in luxury and they want the other 80% to stay living in a muddy puddle

 

Skill based matchmaking would give a better player/gameplay experience for 80% of the playerbase

 

 

The difference is, YOU have a CHOICE. You can choose to recognise that YOU are the reason for your, frankly, ABYSMAL performance and improve. You can choose to walk away from WoT and not play it, or you can choose to carry on playing as badly as you do, but STOP WHINING.


The French peasants largely had no choice.



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