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Poll: Gold spam has to stop (127 members have cast votes)

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How should we change the gold ammo?

  1. Remove gold (premium) ammo all togheter and make weak spots on tanks. (37 votes [23.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.57%

  2. Limit the amount of gold (premium) ammo carried by each tank to say 10-20% (37 votes [23.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.57%

  3. Leave it as is, but don't count the damage done with gold (premium) ammo, towards any awards, marks of exellance, experiance and credits (16 votes [10.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.19%

  4. Leave it as is, and let all the spammers continue their gold spam (47 votes [29.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.94%

  5. Use this if none of the above is what you want (20 votes [12.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.74%

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Kalonianhydra #1 Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:45 AM

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This is a poll that will show how many people out there that wants a change to the gold ammo, and also we will find out how many that just goes around and spams gold.

1ucky #2 Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:49 AM

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You forgot the most important option:

Shoot it up your tanks #LowerBack.



Jethro_Grey #3 Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:51 AM

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I am glad that your poll isn't biased in the slightest. 

 

Also, you will not find anything meaningful, since the people active on the forums are a Tiny tiny minority, which isn't representative of the playerbase as a whole. It might however satisfy your need for confirmation. 

 

But in terms of representative info, the sample size is way too small to be taken serious - by WG at least. 

 

Anyways, good luck and may the reult be what you wish for.



undutchable80 #4 Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:51 AM

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Big problem with option one: WG cannot nerf premium tanks...

NoobySkooby #5 Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:58 AM

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Oh it will stop when the money runs out, so far it cost like £50 a week to play this hateful poisonous drug of a game,and because of this very thread and the gazillions of thread like this I am going to HE and gold spam all the way:trollface:

 

 

I mean why the hell not,every other fecker is doing it


Edited by NoobySkooby, 09 October 2019 - 10:59 AM.


Negativvv #6 Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:08 AM

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Just change it so the person being damaged with Gold gets given the full cost of the ammo as a reward :trollface:

TankkiPoju #7 Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:09 AM

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I want bonds ammo that can shoot through rocks.

Ceeb #8 Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:21 AM

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View PostKalonianhydra, on 09 October 2019 - 09:45 AM, said:

This is a poll that will show how many people out there that wants a change to the gold ammo, and also we will find out how many that just goes around and spams gold.

 

Id rather the HE spam stopped.... I have no issues with Premium Ammo.

10:22 Added after 1 minute

View PostNoobySkooby, on 09 October 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

Oh it will stop when the money runs out, so far it cost like £50 a week to play this hateful poisonous drug of a game,and because of this very thread and the gazillions of thread like this I am going to HE and gold spam all the way:trollface:

 

 

£50 a week...... you sir are nuttier than an Alabama fruit cake.



fwhaatpiraat #9 Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:38 AM

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Any nerf to gold ammo is a buff to heavily armored tanks. Imagine special ammo that has less penetration, but deals more damage. That's a great feature for the paper tanks in the game, that already are so hard to play well.

Although excessive goldspamming is imo just dumb and unbalanced, it has become a vital part of this game. If you believe it isn't, I wish you all the luck against a Maus, 279e or Jagdpz E100.

The changes you propose are rather easy to execute, but you don't know to what it leads. Games full of well-armoured heavy tanks trying to pen eachother. Meanwhile arta and TDs become more popular because nothing else can properly deal with all that armor. Would become an even bigger mess this way.

Mimos_A #10 Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:55 AM

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11:00 Added after 4 minute

View PostNoobySkooby, on 09 October 2019 - 10:58 AM, said:

Oh it will stop when the money runs out, so far it cost like £50 a week to play this hateful poisonous drug of a game,and because of this very thread and the gazillions of thread like this I am going to HE and gold spam all the way:trollface:

 

 

I mean why the hell not,every other fecker is doing it

 

I was wondering how you burn through 50 pounds a week. Then I saw 32% hitrate. Weow dude, that must be record. And I completely understand that you'd fire full gold, would be very sad to bounce that shot once you finally manage to hit something :';)

 

(in all seriousness though, how? Something physical or just too excited?)


Edited by Mimos_A, 09 October 2019 - 02:51 PM.


Kalonianhydra #11 Posted 09 October 2019 - 12:28 PM

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View Postundutchable80, on 09 October 2019 - 09:51 AM, said:

Big problem with option one: WG cannot nerf premium tanks...

They can, and they have done it. They just have to man up and nerf all tanks that are over powered today. It's for the game. Not the players.



Bora_BOOM #12 Posted 09 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

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If you think 300 Spartans were strong, touch the gold and see what 200 Dingers are... :trollface:



Jethro_Grey #13 Posted 09 October 2019 - 12:42 PM

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View PostKalonianhydra, on 09 October 2019 - 12:28 PM, said:

They can, and they have done it. They just have to man up and nerf all tanks that are over powered today. It's for the game. Not the players.


Meanwhile, at WG Headquarters, someone is reading your post and goes:

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 

 

 

As mentioned above, premium ammo is needed to deal with superheavies. 

Nerf their armor, THEN nerf premium ammo.



Solstad1069 #14 Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:09 PM

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View PostKalonianhydra, on 09 October 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

This is a poll that will show how many people out there that wants a change to the gold ammo, and also we will find out how many that just goes around and spams gold.

 

Just turn that hitlog thingy off. Or dont get hit.
When i play Maus i shoot only premium ammo, because my enemy deserves it :P



splash_time #15 Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:41 PM

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Premium ammo is a 100% needed thing, and it's a bitter fact that can't be nurfed or buffed.

In fact, the tanks must get nurfed, why high penetration exist? To pen super heavy armoured tanks (TDs,HTs, MTs), it won't be needed if such tanks didn't exist in first place! 

Why tanks such obj 268 v4 or 430 U or 279 must exist? (I have 268 v4 myself)

No need to increase HP or damage of shells, just balance it out! It'll even end cheaper! 

 


Edited by splash_time, 09 October 2019 - 01:42 PM.


Mimos_A #16 Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:43 PM

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View PostSolstad1069, on 09 October 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

 

Just turn that hitlog thingy off.

 

But then how can I gleefully giggle if a JPe100 donks his HEAT into my tier 8 light's tracks?



Gremlin182 #17 Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:36 PM

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1 Remove gold (premium) ammo all together and make weak spots on tanks

Most tanks already have weak spots cupolas and lower plates are the usual ones,though this is relative.

I still find that sometimes I cannot pen their lower plate with my standard ammo so premium is needed.

No point saying I should maneuver and find a better angle if they counter that and can still pen me  while I am doing that.

Premium ammo exists in the game for exactly the same reason it exists in real life.

 

2 Limit the amount of gold (premium) ammo carried by each tank to say 10-20%

Not all tanks are created equal not even same type and tier so each requires some all or none when it comes to premium.

There was a reason they welded extra armour onto a Pershing gave it a better gun and created specialised ammo for it.

There you have it a tank that was designed to fire premium ammo in real life.

So why shouldn't I fire that same ammo when playing that tank in the game.

 

3 Leave it as is, but don't count the damage done with gold (premium) ammo, towards any awards, marks of excellence, experience and credits

Players would first complain that they wanted a refund for premium tanks so they could buy different ones.

Stock tanks would be impossible to play and many tanks would not get played at all.

How do you go about unlocking modules on your new stock tank if you cannot use premium to pen the enemy tanks and earn the credits and xp.

 

4 Leave it as is, and let all the spammers continue their gold spam

Best option suggested so far though you couldn't resist the dig about "gold spammers"

 

5 Use this if none of the above is what you want

I went with this nothing else really suited how I think about it.

 

My personal choice

Keep premium ammo in the game but increase the advantages disadvantages.

AP is the default no real advantages or disadvantages.

 

APCR greater pen and velocity but pen falls off faster at longer ranges these details could be tweaked for balance.

This would become the round for up to medium range and for fast moving targets at long range its pen would be similar to AP.

HEAT Already balanced fairly well its got great pen easily absorbed by spaced armour or tracks generally slow so limited at longer ranges against moving targets.

HESH in the game this is just high pen HE so not much needs to be done here.

 

Limiting the amount of premium you can carry affects some tanks more than others I generally carry some premium, take the superpershing it carries 54 rounds

Its AP has 202 pen and its premium has 254 pen.

Its a slow medium designed to face heavy tanks and it meets tier 10s.

I would carry probably 15 premium rounds as a starting point and adjust up or down depending on how much I was using in most games.

 

Assuming I am limited to 10% that's 6 rounds that's maybe enough to do 1500 damage or one heavy tank if lucky.

20% would be more comfortable allowing for misses and bounces.

Assuming every tank on the teams has 10% premium would it make any difference whatsoever.

Its certainly enough to obliterate the enemy team.

 

When in a game now and your tank is completely destroyed by one players and he uses nothing but premium does this tell you that he was a gold spammer.

IE did he fire all 6 rounds he carried at you and now has only standard left or is he carrying 100% premium.

Being subjected to premium ammo every game does not mean those firing it carry any more than a few rounds.

 

 


 



staurinsh #18 Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:53 PM

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Just forbid for top tiers use gold, same with 290mm+ penetration guns for td. I just can't understand why strv with 308mm pen need gold, or jpze 100 with 299mm and etc, i have never used gold playing with them.

There is no downsides for playing with gold ammo, especially for autoloaders, tvp with full heat in 6sec heats you. Why cant they increase reload for premium ammo. If you want spam gold, go ahead and enjoy extra 50% longer reload. Or make 1 shell extra expensive, like 40k credits per shell if that is special ammo, because, special doesn't mean something cheap.


Edited by staurinsh, 09 October 2019 - 02:57 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #19 Posted 09 October 2019 - 03:42 PM

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View Poststaurinsh, on 09 October 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:

Just forbid for top tiers use gold, same with 290mm+ penetration guns for td. I just can't understand why strv with 308mm pen need gold, or jpze 100 with 299mm and etc, i have never used gold playing with them.

 

If he can pen you anyway with his 308 pen standard rounds then what difference does it make to you if he chooses to hit you with a 350 pen gold round?



tajj7 #20 Posted 09 October 2019 - 03:42 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 09 October 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

Any nerf to gold ammo is a buff to heavily armored tanks. Imagine special ammo that has less penetration, but deals more damage. That's a great feature for the paper tanks in the game, that already are so hard to play well.

Although excessive goldspamming is imo just dumb and unbalanced, it has become a vital part of this game. If you believe it isn't, I wish you all the luck against a Maus, 279e or Jagdpz E100.

The changes you propose are rather easy to execute, but you don't know to what it leads. Games full of well-armoured heavy tanks trying to pen eachother. Meanwhile arta and TDs become more popular because nothing else can properly deal with all that armor. Would become an even bigger mess this way.

 

I reckon after/if the current proposed 'special ammo' changes go live that they are currently testing on sandbox, then we'll see more HE spammed, more armoured tanks, more arty, more 183s, and less Leos, Grill 15s, Cent AXs, lights etc. 






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