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KtitorSRB #1 Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:04 PM

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WG promised rebalancing of forbiden and rarely used tanks.

Nothing about it, still.



Inappropriate_noob #2 Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:05 PM

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Serves are down, so they forgot about it

eekeeboo #3 Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:07 PM

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Hello, 

 

You can find repeated and numerous parts and updates on this balancing from the WG fest article and streams as well as AMA and Q&A on Reddit as well as answers given on the forum. 

 

The big thing that needs to take place before any large rebalancing and the balancing of vehicles mentioned in the "What's coming in 2019" article last year, is the sandbox HP and shell rebalance. Once this core and fundamental change have happened then we can look cases of tanks that need balancing thereafter. 

 

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Dava_117 #4 Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:31 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 10 October 2019 - 04:07 PM, said:

Hello, 

 

You can find repeated and numerous parts and updates on this balancing from the WG fest article and streams as well as AMA and Q&A on Reddit as well as answers given on the forum. 

 

The big thing that needs to take place before any large rebalancing and the balancing of vehicles mentioned in the "What's coming in 2019" article last year, is the sandbox HP and shell rebalance. Once this core and fundamental change have happened then we can look cases of tanks that need balancing thereafter. 

 

Cheers

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There is something I don't understand in this reasoning. Considering IS-4 main problem are atrocious gun handling, the low ammo count and the low DPM for an alpha that now is considered on the low side of the tier 10 HT spectrum, how is anything of this connected with ammo rebalance? 

Because this sentence make me feel like the devs have no idea about IS-4 problems and that they was planning to just buff the armour and forget about the important stuff... 



staurinsh #5 Posted 10 October 2019 - 05:19 PM

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WG promised and you believed in that... You are like 15 years old or there is something wrong with you?

Enherjaren #6 Posted 10 October 2019 - 06:31 PM

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Shell rebalance gonna be the death of this game.
3 arty every tier X game is killing it right now. 
Shell "rebalance" last nail in the cuffin!

MeNoobTank #7 Posted 10 October 2019 - 07:35 PM

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Exactly as Dava_117 mentioned, the shell rebalance excuse doesn't work for IS-4 beacuse not the armor is the problem. Devs really need to start playing their own game.

chinchillah #8 Posted 10 October 2019 - 09:19 PM

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They don't give a [edited]about those old tanks. 121 is4 268 e100, it's too much work to rebalance them. Better put in new tank with current meta so lemmings gonna free xp/prem account to the new stuff = Rubel = happy devs :)

 

E100 been broken for how long now? 5 years? It's like pathetic how out of touch the devs are with their game. 

2684 fucked every single match, even people with no idea of wot could see its broken but wg? Haha months before doing anything.. Laughable man... 

 

430u nerf cancel confirmed the Russian bias sheit, I think nobody can deny it no more. 



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View Postchinchillah, on 10 October 2019 - 09:19 PM, said:

They don't give a [edited]about those old tanks. 121 is4 268 e100, it's too much work to rebalance them. Better put in new tank with current meta so lemmings gonna free xp/prem account to the new stuff = Rubel = happy devs :)

 

E100 been broken for how long now? 5 years? It's like pathetic how out of touch the devs are with their game. 

2684 fucked every single match, even people with no idea of wot could see its broken but wg? Haha months before doing anything.. Laughable man... 

 

430u nerf cancel confirmed the Russian bias sheit, I think nobody can deny it no more. 

 

But I understand why they are not touching E100. It still is a solid tank, wich can carry his weight and wich only "problem" is premium ammo punching trough the turret front. If premium ammo get nerfed tanks like E100 will get a sensible indirect buff.

IS-4, on the other hand, has no problem related to shell types.


Edited by Dava_117, 10 October 2019 - 11:20 PM.


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View Posteekeeboo, on 10 October 2019 - 03:07 PM, said:

The big thing that needs to take place before any large rebalancing and the balancing of vehicles mentioned in the "What's coming in 2019" article last year, is the sandbox HP and shell rebalance. Once this core and fundamental change have happened then we can look cases of tanks that need balancing thereafter. 

 

I think it is precisely this ^ which is what frustrates players. Announced in 2018 and here we are approaching 2020 and still talking about shell rebalance. 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 10 October 2019 - 04:07 PM, said:

Hello, 

 

You can find repeated and numerous parts and updates on this balancing from the WG fest article and streams as well as AMA and Q&A on Reddit as well as answers given on the forum. 

 

The big thing that needs to take place before any large rebalancing and the balancing of vehicles mentioned in the "What's coming in 2019" article last year, is the sandbox HP and shell rebalance. Once this core and fundamental change have happened then we can look cases of tanks that need balancing thereafter. 

 

Cheers

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Updates on HP/gold rebalance yes.

 

I don't remember seeing anything on what kind of buffs IS-4/E100 will get.



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View Posteekeeboo, on 10 October 2019 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hello, 

 

You can find repeated and numerous parts and updates on this balancing from the WG fest article and streams as well as AMA and Q&A on Reddit as well as answers given on the forum. 

 

The big thing that needs to take place before any large rebalancing and the balancing of vehicles mentioned in the "What's coming in 2019" article last year, is the sandbox HP and shell rebalance. Once this core and fundamental change have happened then we can look cases of tanks that need balancing thereafter. 

 

Cheers

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While the HP/shell rebalance will certainly help, the main problem with the IS-4 is really the low DPM but most importantly the absolutely potato gun-handling.

 

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Ammo rebalance, it's more like an excuse than a solution! 

Why it must take all this time? 

Look around you WG! Even the toughest tank (T110E3) is getting panned from front FGS! 

People are sick of this prem ammo waterfall, once you pick to spot something, and you take 4-5 hits of gold shells!!! Even against lights! 

Seriously, WG looks happy with the current situations. 

They're not going to fix it now, not until 2020, Because they also wanna try "HE shell rebalancing", to ruin Type 5 heavy even more! :D


Edited by splash_time, 11 October 2019 - 08:14 AM.


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View PostBordhaw, on 10 October 2019 - 08:41 PM, said:

 

I think it is precisely this ^ which is what frustrates players. Announced in 2018 and here we are approaching 2020 and still talking about shell rebalance. 

TBH they have also tested it not only talked about it.

I just don't know why they didn't ditch the idea in the first place.

Shells don't need to be rebalanced. Tanks need to be rebalanced.



chinchillah #15 Posted 11 October 2019 - 09:47 AM

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Increase the cost of prem shells by 5x or 10x... Like 1 shot=50.000 credits, that would decrease the spam big time..

 

Full gold match? Gg paying 1mio credits :) 



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View PostDava_117, on 10 October 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

 

There is something I don't understand in this reasoning. Considering IS-4 main problem are atrocious gun handling, the low ammo count and the low DPM for an alpha that now is considered on the low side of the tier 10 HT spectrum, how is anything of this connected with ammo rebalance? 

Because this sentence make me feel like the devs have no idea about IS-4 problems and that they was planning to just buff the armour and forget about the important stuff... 

So for one instance, you give the tank a bit more hp, the shell rebalance means the armour is more effective, it becomes a more tanky playstyle than damage dealer, or the changes could go the other way. This is why the rebalance of this sort has to take place first and from there you can tweak vehicles. Rather than tweak them, then change everything about them and they become a different beast completely. 

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View PostEnherjaren, on 10 October 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

Shell rebalance gonna be the death of this game.
3 arty every tier X game is killing it right now. 
Shell "rebalance" last nail in the cuffin!

As mentioned in our updates, the shell rebalance part (still being tested) is the HE shell changes which if they work may also move to artillery which includes normalising damage and reducing the frustration for and against them with less 1 shot potential and the way the damage is dealt. 

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View PostBordhaw, on 10 October 2019 - 08:41 PM, said:

 

I think it is precisely this ^ which is what frustrates players. Announced in 2018 and here we are approaching 2020 and still talking about shell rebalance. 

Because the sandbox changes are so extensive, and ongoing as we're aware of the feedback on the first places, the other balancing (direct) has been pushed back a little, while indirect rebalancing will take place from all the changes. 

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View PostVarzA, on 11 October 2019 - 12:18 AM, said:

 

Updates on HP/gold rebalance yes.

 

I don't remember seeing anything on what kind of buffs IS-4/E100 will get.

This is waiting on the shell and HP rebalance. 

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View PostCobra6, on 11 October 2019 - 06:51 AM, said:


While the HP/shell rebalance will certainly help, the main problem with the IS-4 is really the low DPM but most importantly the absolutely potato gun-handling.

 

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This is part of it, but as you know, you tweak a fundamental part of the game, you can't properly balance the small stuff without knowing where your baseline is first based on the change. 

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View Postsplash_time, on 11 October 2019 - 07:13 AM, said:

Ammo rebalance, it's more like an excuse than a solution! 

Why it must take all this time? 

Look around you WG! Even the toughest tank (T110E3) is getting panned from front FGS! 

People are sick of this prem ammo waterfall, once you pick to spot something, and you take 4-5 hits of gold shells!!! Even against lights! 

Seriously, WG looks happy with the current situations. 

They're not going to fix it now, not until 2020, Because they also wanna try "HE shell rebalancing", to ruin Type 5 heavy even more! :D

Part of the reason for the length of time is the amount of shells on the amount of tanks in the difference distances and so forth. Balancing a game this size on something so intricate is very difficult and complex. Remember that also the balancing has to be done with the +/- 2 MM in mind and the match-ups too. 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 11 October 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

This is part of it, but as you know, you tweak a fundamental part of the game, you can't properly balance the small stuff without knowing where your baseline is first based on the change. 

 

I know but why not flip that around:

Give the IS-4 slightly better gun-handling in the meantime while we wait for these major changes that lie weeks/months/years in the future so this tank is not so garbage for this duration. And then when those big changes eventually come around, simple include the improvements you have made to the IS-4 in the meantime to the balancing.

 

Best of both worlds, players are not stuck with a horrible vehicle for no good reason for a long time, while at the same time your big rebalance does not get changed significantly as you can account for these minor buffs.

 

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View Posteekeeboo, on 11 October 2019 - 10:39 AM, said:

So for one instance, you give the tank a bit more hp, the shell rebalance means the armour is more effective, it becomes a more tanky playstyle than damage dealer, or the changes could go the other way. This is why the rebalance of this sort has to take place first and from there you can tweak vehicles. Rather than tweak them, then change everything about them and they become a different beast completely. 

 

All HTs will receive an indirect buff from the shell rebalance. Armour in general will be buffed.

But the problem of the IS-4 will stay. You can slap 250mm armour all-around on a tank, but if the gun is a potato shooter that can't reliably do damage, further limited by bad DPM and very low ammo count that doesn't allows to have a sensible ammo layout, you will still have a bad tank. 

My point is that, while it will be easier to bounce shell, the tank will still be frustrating to play and a bad performer. And it just need some game on the tank to see why the tank is so subpar.


Edited by Dava_117, 11 October 2019 - 12:23 PM.


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So we can look forward to the gold ammo rebalance in the 1.7 patch then. As all this was promised for 2019.

 

Wouldn't want WG to get a reputation for making promises ( knee jerk promises while panicking about dwindling revenue/playerbase)  with no real intention of following through on those promises. 

 

Oh yeah too late... 

 

 


Edited by 5everin, 11 October 2019 - 12:56 PM.





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