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splash_time #1 Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:36 PM

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Hi there.

I've bought Ferdinand yesterday, and i don't know how to play it...

I mean, what's even Ferdinand's role?! If i go with HTs, it just suck, if i try to snipe from far, it misses a lot! 

How should i play it?

 

And notice that i like to play aggressive roles.

All feedback is welcome. And advise are more than appreciated! 


Edited by splash_time, 11 October 2019 - 12:38 PM.


LordMuffin #2 Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:44 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 11 October 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

Hi there.

I've bought Ferdinand yesterday, and i don't know how to play it...

I mean, what's even Ferdinand's role?! If i go with HTs, it just suck, if i try to snipe from far, it misses a lot! 

How should i play it?

 

And notice that i like to play aggressive roles.

All feedback is welcome. And advise are more than appreciated! 

You drive to some frontline area of the map with a bit of engagement range. 

Then you wait for enemy to approach/peak.

Then you shoot them for 490.

Then you wait until they peak again.

Then you shoot again.

And so on.

 



barison1 #3 Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:45 PM

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support tank, if top tier you could go with heavies but try staying hulldown with places to fall back to. if bottom tier bit more sniperish, load some apcr for heavely armored ones. but its a waste to be actual redline in this, has tier 8 like HT armor and quite bunch hp aswell.

 

just dont be the first one to get in



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The Ferdinand use to play the role of a bully, now it's mostly there to be a support and almost like a mobile bunker, treat it like a tank to prevent an advance and don't put yourself too much in the open where you'll get tracked and end up getting flanked. 

Cobra6 #5 Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:49 PM

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Ferdinand doesn't really have a role anymore in World of Goldspamming, back in the days it had good armor and a nice gun (JP2 was not yet in the game) but now you basically have the JP2 which is the blatantly better vehicle.

The moment premium ammo became available for credits, the German "armored" TD line basically became obsolete because big slabs of slat armor react very negatively to HEAT ammo.

Jagdtiger used to be my favorite TD but as soon as they changed the gold ammo for credits it basically lost it's strength, the armor, overnight. While the gun is still awesome, the rest of the platform is obsolete.

 

Ferdinand is slow, has big weakspoints and doesn't really have the maps anymore to be able to snipe.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 11 October 2019 - 12:51 PM.


splash_time #6 Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:57 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 11 October 2019 - 03:19 PM, said:

Ferdinand doesn't really have a role anymore in World of Goldspamming, back in the days it had good armor and a nice gun (JP2 was not yet in the game) but now you basically have the JP2 which is the blatantly better vehicle.

The moment premium ammo became available for credits, the German "armored" TD line basically became obsolete because big slabs of slat armor react very negatively to HEAT ammo.

Jagdtiger used to be my favorite TD but as soon as they changed the gold ammo for credits it basically lost it's strength, the armor, overnight. While the gun is still awesome, the rest of the platform is obsolete.

 

Ferdinand is slow, has big weakspoints and doesn't really have the maps anymore to be able to snipe.

 

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Yeah, yesterday i tried to hit Type 4 from side, then i spotted a proggeto 46, i aimed on the rear (Engine), but it just didn't go through....

And I'm using the second gun (10.5 mm), i know it has low base penetration, but isn't it enough to penetrate proggeto 46's rear?...

 

Then when he noticed that I'm behind, he just tracked it, then it loaded gold. And as you said, frontal armour became cheese.


Edited by splash_time, 11 October 2019 - 01:00 PM.


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View PostCobra6, on 11 October 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

Ferdinand doesn't really have a role anymore in World of Goldspamming, back in the days it had good armor and a nice gun (JP2 was not yet in the game) but now you basically have the JP2 which is the blatantly better vehicle.

The moment premium ammo became available for credits, the German "armored" TD line basically became obsolete because big slabs of slat armor react very negatively to HEAT ammo.

Jagdtiger used to be my favorite TD but as soon as they changed the gold ammo for credits it basically lost it's strength, the armor, overnight. While the gun is still awesome, the rest of the platform is obsolete.

 

Ferdinand is slow, has big weakspoints and doesn't really have the maps anymore to be able to snipe.

 

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I remember when there was a post every month asking Jpanther or Ferdi? the Ferdi was always the better tank but the Jpanther was the sensible choice due to modules for the tech tree line. Oh how times change :sceptic:



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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 11 October 2019 - 12:12 PM, said:

 

I remember when there was a post every month asking Jpanther or Ferdi? the Ferdi was always the better tank but the Jpanther was the sensible choice due to modules for the tech tree line. Oh how times change :sceptic:


Yeah when I played the line shortly after beta the Ferdi was quite the brute and the Jagdtiger was a beast.

Nowadays they are among the worst tanks you can play pretty much.

 

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barison1 #9 Posted 11 October 2019 - 01:41 PM

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meanwhile im grinding marks on ferdi and really loving it, to me it seems like one of the better tier 8 tanks, guess opinions differ highly on it :hiding:

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Probably too late now but I would have recommended to go with the JP2 instead. 

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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 11 October 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

 

I remember when there was a post every month asking Jpanther or Ferdi? the Ferdi was always the better tank but the Jpanther was the sensible choice due to modules for the tech tree line. Oh how times change :sceptic:


One "advantage" of the Ferdi is the fact that you already get your second loader on tier 8, allowing you to train him properly for tier 9 and 10. Then again, with crew books that advantage becomes less relevant...



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I went for the JPanther 2, Im still undecided on whether that was a mistake. But anyway, since both can be unlocked it's just a matter of time.

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View Postbarison1, on 11 October 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:

meanwhile im grinding marks on ferdi and really loving it, to me it seems like one of the better tier 8 tanks, guess opinions differ highly on it :hiding:


Ey I enjoy the T-34-1 , doesn't make it a good tank though :D

 

The Ferdi can certainly still work if the right situation comes up but the whole line is pretty much obsolete.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 11 October 2019 - 01:51 PM, said:


Ey I enjoy the T-34-1 , doesn't make it a good tank though :D

 

The Ferdi can certainly still work if the right situation comes up but the whole line is pretty much obsolete.

 

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true that ye

 

oddly enough doing pretty good in shite tanks while doing "awful" in certain really good ones, im speshul in many ways



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View PostCobra6, on 11 October 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

back in the days it had good armor

 

Really? The Tiger P hull can be penned pretty easily because the cheeks and lower plate are 115 effective, the rest of the tank is 200mm of flat armour which most tier 8s have always been able to pen, even the old 175pen Russian 122s could roll that high to pen it and most decent tier 8s like an IS-3 go right through it no problem.

 

If you have like 220 pen against a Ferdi you just need to hit it and you'll pen most shots. 

 

The Jp2 was always the better option IMO since it game into the game, just a shame they ruined that tank a little when they changed the HD model as it now has loads of armour holes round the mantlet when you used to be able to get hull down with that thing and reliably bounce of a lot of tier 10s. 

 

Interestingly though, while the I personally think the Ferdi is not very good it still seems to perform ok -

 

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No idea how, presumably decent pen, 490 alpha and a slab of HP seems to work for most players. 


Edited by tajj7, 11 October 2019 - 02:12 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 11 October 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

 

Really? The Tiger P hull can be penned pretty easily because the cheeks and lower plate are 115 effective, the rest of the tank is 200mm of flat armour which most tier 8s have always been able to pen, even the old 175pen Russian 122s could roll that high to pen it and most decent tier 8s like an IS-3 go right through it no problem.

 

If you have like 220 pen against a Ferdi you just need to hit it and you'll pen most shots. 

 

 

Yes you could, but you are forgetting that back then, IS-3's could not snipe as accuracy was still a real thing. IS-3's could only hit your weak spots up close, at longer range (where their pen also dropped off) they could not reliably hit weak spots.

 

And also for mediums, the Panther II had the highest pen for quite a while with 202mm until the British were introduced with 226.  US and RU both had 175mm pen on the meds which would pretty much never go through the Ferdi (none-weakspots) and also tended to miss weak spots as both nations didn't have accurate guns.

 

Then WG made changes to the accuracy which means that IS-3's are just as reliable snipers as the Tiger II.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 11 October 2019 - 02:26 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 11 October 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

No idea how, presumably decent pen, 490 alpha and a slab of HP seems to work for most players. 

 

It's the same as with Black Prince - Both Black Prince and Ferdinand have armor and they are slow, so people can't push too aggressively early and die.

 

Or in other words, most bad players would be suddenly a lot better if they just had bit more patience. Ferdi and BP forces that automatically.



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View PostCobra6, on 11 October 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

Then WG made changes to the accuracy which means that IS-3's are just as reliable snipers as the Tiger II.

 

This perfectly sums up a huge point that is always forgotten and is a really really big issue.

But looks like to be a part of the "dumbed down game for all".



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View PostLordMuffin, on 11 October 2019 - 12:44 PM, said:

You drive to some frontline area of the map with a bit of engagement range. 

Then you wait for enemy to approach/peak.

Then you shoot them for 490.

Then you wait until they peak again.

Then you shoot again.

And so on.

 


Do this.



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Ferdinand is a guilty pleasure of mine. To the point of 3-marking it.

 

It's certainly out of meta, and it's not flexible at all. Slow, questionable armor, no turret - such are the ingredients tank nowadays - mean that you have to be very good at predicting where the fight is going to be, where you can be of use, and whether that teammate asking you to move up with them will end up abandoning you to get flanked and die miserably. It can serve as a breakthrough vehicle in some situations, but you need to be patient until you know exactly what you are facing.

 

The HP buff, together with DPM and a punchy gun is frequently underestimated by players - mainly IS3 drivers - to the point they melt to your 128mm. The gun arch is also wide, giving you an easier time leading your shots, without reaiming.

 

Granted, its one of the tech tree tanks I fully pimp with premium consumables and ammo.

 

And.. it looks cool.







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