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Tarren #1 Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:22 PM

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Greetings, i am writing this post because i am pretty angry and fed up with the fact that when I play my badger that has 330 mm of frontal armor, every and all vehicles in the same tier can pen it without even trying, if you do not intend for armor to work in the game, then don't have any,  make all armor 0 on all sides so everyone faces equal opposition, I do not  understand why you make a vehicle that always gets penned 100% of the time when facing vehicles that should not be able to shoot through the 330mm frontal armor with a 122 mm gun or worse , please fix the armor in the game, or at least on the Badger, it is about as bad as it can get, no mobility, no protection from shots since everyone can pen it, what is the purpose of the vehicle even being in the game, just refund people who spend time and their hard-earned money getting it please Wargaming, i do get that no vehicle should be unable to be penned, but this is just rediculously bad.

DuncaN_101 #2 Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:36 PM

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stop showing your lower front plate and it should start looking allot different.

 

also ... the front of that badger isn't 330mm all over. just the little bulges are 330 the rest is much less armoured. maybe do some research before complaining

we don't need more stupidly armoured tanks like the maus or the bobject.



Nishi_Kinuyo #3 Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:38 PM

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View PostDuncaN_101, on 14 October 2019 - 04:36 PM, said:

maybe do some research before complaining

But that involves effort.



8126Jakobsson #4 Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:39 PM

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Can't say I've noticed anything bad with my Badger's armour. 

Dava_117 #5 Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:40 PM

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Badger armour is not an homogeneous plate 350mm thick.

It's actually thinner, with an inclination that increase its effectiveness. But if you get shot from above, in example, you will get penned more easily.

Also the low frontal plate of the badger is around 240mm effective, that is far easier to pen.



Tarren #6 Posted 14 October 2019 - 04:57 PM

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actually it is 355 mm frontally not 330 as i initially wrote, and about showing my lower plate or not, that doesnt make a danm bit of a difference, people pen me regardless of what i do. ​​

ChristOfTheAbyss #7 Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:03 PM

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l2p, simple as that.

SuNo_TeSLa #8 Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:10 PM

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796 Average damage in it, not saying i'm great at tier 10, but that is just too Damn bad..

Dorander #9 Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:16 PM

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View PostTarren, on 14 October 2019 - 03:57 PM, said:

actually it is 355 mm frontally not 330 as i initially wrote, and about showing my lower plate or not, that doesnt make a danm bit of a difference, people pen me regardless of what i do. ​​
<snip vid>

 

Posting that vid shows you need to learn a bit about armour. You are not a rectangular block that has 355mm frontal and the other two values on the sides and rear. You are a Badger and thus you are a Badger-shaped tank, with armour values differing from plate to plate, and impact angle from the enemy shells changing how effective the plating actually is.

 

You can find the Badger's 3D model here: https://tanks.gg/tank/badger/model

 

Play with the angles a bit, see how thick your armour really is given typical firing angles on your tank. You'll see you're not being penned all the time in your 355mm armour (though there are plenty tanks capable of that, especially with premium ammo), there are way softer spots to pen you.



SiliconSidewinder #10 Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:18 PM

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View PostTarren, on 14 October 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

actually it is 355 mm frontally not 330 as i initially wrote, and about showing my lower plate or not, that doesnt make a danm bit of a difference, people pen me regardless of what i do. ​​

 

and in 13k games you never noticed that the armor moddels of tanks are more detailed than a simple line of text?

I mean in todays WoT armor models are way more homogenous, when you started they had weakspots all over the place, how did you never figure this out?

 



Blubba #11 Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:58 PM

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Don't know why it's not working for you. Your service record suggests you bounce about 1700 per game in it but I am a bit of a noob so probably aren't reading it properly anyway.

DuncaN_101 #12 Posted 14 October 2019 - 06:22 PM

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not even going 2 bother with this one further ... not worth my time

NUKLEAR_SLUG #13 Posted 14 October 2019 - 06:32 PM

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View PostTarren, on 14 October 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

actually it is 355 mm frontally not 330 as i initially wrote, and about showing my lower plate or not, that doesnt make a danm bit of a difference, people pen me regardless of what i do. ​​

 

You are correct it is 355mm, in a small area around the mantlet. Everywhere else it is about 330-340mm frontally which is about a 50/50 for a HEAT round to go through. That is of course assuming you are actually positioning yourself correctly to even use that armour and your WR suggests that your understanding of such things makes that unlikely.



lnfernaI #14 Posted 14 October 2019 - 07:37 PM

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vasilinhorulezz #15 Posted 14 October 2019 - 07:45 PM

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Use your gun depression, there is where  it's armor is a it's best. Just a L2P issue here.

Balc0ra #16 Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:15 AM

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View PostTarren, on 14 October 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

actually it is 355 mm frontally not 330 as i initially wrote, and about showing my lower plate or not, that doesnt make a danm bit of a difference, people pen me regardless of what i do. 

 

It makes allllllllll the difference if you show that or not. The lower plate is 171mm at the center. So if you come over a hill... anyone can pen you. Basically... don't show your lower plate. As that's not 355mm thick.

 

I'm gonna teach you something new after 13 000 games. Turretless TD's armor value is the max on that side, even if that value only covers 5% of that surface. In the Badgers case, the 355mm is only the mantle, as in the armor around the gun plate. The hull is 215mm actual armor. Or about 300 effective. Thus why you use your gun depression and hide the lower plate. As if you do, then suddenly that 215mm hull can be over 400mm effective to any gun aiming up at you over a ridgeline.... as long as you don't drive to far up and show your lower plate. 

 

 

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Capitalist pig tanks are target practice for glorious soviet war machines

 

British tanks are made of cheese



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View PostSiliconSidewinder, on 14 October 2019 - 04:18 PM, said:

I mean in todays WoT armor models are way more homogenous, when you started they had weakspots all over the place, how did you never figure this out?

 

"Details" are easy to miss when rushing the tiers like an oxymoron.



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View PostTarren, on 14 October 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

actually it is 355 mm frontally not 330 as i initially wrote, and about showing my lower plate or not, that doesnt make a danm bit of a difference, people pen me regardless of what i do. ​​

 

If it doesn't matter what you do and you still get penned then what you are doing is something seriously wrong.

 

 



azakow #20 Posted 15 October 2019 - 06:12 AM

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... a broad band case of PEBKAC ...




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