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Lanrefni #1 Posted 15 October 2019 - 09:48 AM

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Is it just me, or do the turrets recently have started to bounce alot of 90mm shells, especially on the mantlet?

tajj7 #2 Posted 15 October 2019 - 09:55 AM

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Yeh they were buffed when the STB-1 changes were done.

 

For some reason WG never mentioned in the patch notes about the STA-2 turret, they buffed the gun mantlet I think. 



Stevies_Team #3 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:06 AM

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Mobility, shell velocity and bouncy turret done at last buff

 

STA2 is probably one of the best bog standard 240 Alpha mediums, now it's fun to play

 

A total bargain at the easter sales when its 16 bananas


Edited by Stevies_Team, 15 October 2019 - 10:07 AM.


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I'm still waiting for the day that the STA-2 gets the gun model replaced with the gun model of the STA-1, I just can't get used to that ugly "pooooot" muzzle break it has.

 

I know, purely cosmetic change, but it bugs me....

 

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VarzA #5 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:10 AM

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View PostStevies_Team, on 15 October 2019 - 10:06 AM, said:

Mobility, shell velocity and bouncy turret done at last buff

 

STA2 is probably one of the best bog standard 240 Alpha mediums, now it's fun to play

 

A total bargain at the easter sales when its 16 bananas


Or 6 frontline prestige points, equivalent to 1800 gold.



Stevies_Team #6 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:14 AM

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The viewrange is the only meh bit, plus recon AND situational awareness are on the commander (sigh)

 

Good traverse speed too, it's up there with the current meta



undutchable80 #7 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:17 AM

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Played new STA-2 as a 10-game rental in FL after the STB TotT and I quite liked it. 

Neodymium9 #8 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:27 AM

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View PostStevies_Team, on 15 October 2019 - 10:06 AM, said:

STA2 is probably one of the best bog standard 240 Alpha mediums, now it's fun to play

 

 

Loled at the fun part,having no side armor in a world of arta isn't fun



Karasu_Hidesuke #9 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:27 AM

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View Postundutchable80, on 15 October 2019 - 09:17 AM, said:

Played new STA-2 as a 10-game rental in FL after the STB TotT and I quite liked it. 

 

Had it as a free rental. The gun was surprisingly good.



VarzA #10 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:52 AM

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View Postundutchable80, on 15 October 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

Played new STA-2 as a 10-game rental in FL after the STB TotT and I quite liked it. 

 

Try the buffed STA-1 if you haven't already.

It's basically a slightly slower STA-2 (45kph instead of 55kph), with 10-15% better dpm, a reload in the 5.5-5.6 range instead of the usual 6.4-6.5, and slightly better standard pen at 219mm.



vonadnan #11 Posted 15 October 2019 - 11:04 AM

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I think about getting it for prestige points, went thru FL for Emil 1951, thinking I will spend the spare points on gold and bonds.

But now I'm in dilemma, STA-2 looks nice now, and Jap meds are a thing.. But as a f2p I could use that gold.. 



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Not an easy call

 

Does it get you premium credits and XP as a freebie tank?

 

If not then gold probably preferable



VarzA #13 Posted 15 October 2019 - 11:35 AM

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View Postvonadnan, on 15 October 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

I think about getting it for prestige points, went thru FL for Emil 1951, thinking I will spend the spare points on gold and bonds.

But now I'm in dilemma, STA-2 looks nice now, and Jap meds are a thing.. But as a f2p I could use that gold.. 


I was int he same dilemma .... apart from the f2p thing, not yet but will be soon-ish ™.

 

Emil 1951 kinda sucks imho, after asking around and seeing some replays.

It's a slightly more mobile Emil I with longer clip reload but faster intraclip unload .... of 5.5s instead of 6s.

However, some issues are not fixed :

  1. horrible side armor which means your angle of engagement is very very limited frontally, as you can be easily overmatched, and arty splash hurts like hell
  2. swedish high tier premiums for crew training are utterly useless, Strv S1 is crew trainer for a line that does not need a ton of skills/perks, Kranvagn line and Udes 15/16 have so much skill/perk density on commander/gunner that you are better off getting special crew (female crew, reward crews from events)
  3. armor is ok for t8 but t9's can punch through it with gold
  4. tank is helpless out of a ridge line
  5. pen is weak, 217mm apcr sucks for a ridgeline fighter that is not designed to flank, coupled with the accuracy and aimtime, it's even worse

All of the above is fixed in the Emil II and Kranvagn, but not in the Emil 1951 (slightly better mobility).

 

WZ-111 is not as good as the 112, and you can get the 112 from referral program for free (kinda).

Instead, the wz-111 costs you 10 points, which are equivalent to 3000 gold and 1000 bonds.

 

AE Phase 1 .... you have a slightly worse Conqueror, which is crew trainer (reward tank, not premium) for an american heavy line that does not actually exist.

Seriously, T8-T10 american heavies suck, T29 at t7 is ok, but is butchered by 2 arties per game and having a huge profile, only works in corridor where it can go hulldown.

T5-6 are ok-ish.

T57 does not count, comes from medium line.

The best american heavy line, is the E4 line which is a td one .... so who are you crew training for ?

 

I'm seriously dissapointed in the frontline reward tanks and i will only redeem the STA-2, which for 6 points/1800 gold ... is worth it.



snowlywhite #14 Posted 15 October 2019 - 12:06 PM

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Mantlet is the only thing that bounces. Rest is paper. And you're still penned by arty(not in turret, obviously).

 

Regarding fl: sta is the only thing that's playable from those 3. Other 2 have guns that shoot in neighbouring maps... i'll take gold for the rest of the points even if I'm not fp.



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View PostlnfernaI, on 15 October 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

Is it just me, or do the turrets recently have started to bounce alot of 90mm shells, especially on the mantlet?


With the changes to the STB-1 they did buff the gun mantle on these two. Basically, they removed the hole behind the mantle, but the turret in general is exactly how it was.



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VarzA, as u can see I'm about average, or little above, but I really, really like Emil, also back in the day (those were different times) Emil I suited me very well. All the things u said u are right, but somehow that clip potential works for me. The worst thing in my opinion is that aim time/gun handling, it's abysmal :/ but it forces u to come close, and u are right if u are on flat ground..u are toasted. Still if u do some favorable trades, 1 shot taken, 3 given, the dmg goes high..

I did put girls in Swedes and that makes it a bit better, and had mostly tier 8 games, in higher tiers u are right armor does not exists..

I was not interested in AE, and for STA , when you put it like that (1800 gold in prestige points) it is fare trade.. 



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View PostKarasu_Hidesuke, on 15 October 2019 - 10:27 AM, said:

 

Had it as a free rental. The gun was surprisingly good.


It's awful, it misses too much (STA-1 .38 dispersion and STA-2 .37) and it's ability to snap shoot is ridiculously bad. Aim time is also not a thing to brag about either.



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View Postvonadnan, on 15 October 2019 - 01:50 PM, said:

VarzA, as u can see I'm about average, or little above, but I really, really like Emil, also back in the day (those were different times) Emil I suited me very well. All the things u said u are right, but somehow that clip potential works for me. The worst thing in my opinion is that aim time/gun handling, it's abysmal :/ but it forces u to come close, and u are right if u are on flat ground..u are toasted. Still if u do some favorable trades, 1 shot taken, 3 given, the dmg goes high..

I did put girls in Swedes and that makes it a bit better, and had mostly tier 8 games, in higher tiers u are right armor does not exists..

I was not interested in AE, and for STA , when you put it like that (1800 gold in prestige points) it is fare trade.. 


I was thinking of it too, until i compared it to the Somua SM, which is a tank i really really loved when i had it for a 7d rental.

And the thing is .... Somua SM is just miles better, because it does not depend on a ridgeline to do well, has good gun handling and has way better pen than Emil 1951.

So that's why i decided to not get the Emil 1951 in the end.



Amun_RA #19 Posted 15 October 2019 - 02:45 PM

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When are they going to give Sta 2 siege mode? Hope they are still going to. 

Karasu_Hidesuke #20 Posted 15 October 2019 - 02:57 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 15 October 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:


It's awful, it misses too much (STA-1 .38 dispersion and STA-2 .37) and it's ability to snap shoot is ridiculously bad. Aim time is also not a thing to brag about either.

 

Hmm... at that time I was mostly playing STA-1 so I guess that is what I compared it against. Still, I found the accuracy quite good in practice, at least next to the sort of tanks I mostly play. Of course, it always depends on what you compare it against, but there aren't a lot of premium tank options for the Japanese tech tree, the HT side is even worse...






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