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Actinid #1 Posted 15 October 2019 - 12:35 PM

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Commanders!

 

Half of autumn is over, but for the M18 (90), an American Tier VII tank destroyer, everything is just about to begin. Let’s see whether it has chances to succeed in Supertest!

 

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In a nutshell, it’s a Hellcat but moved to Tier VII. It’s 90mm gun causes 240 points of damage on average. A standard AP shells penetrates 167 mm of enemy armor, while a special APCR goes further and will make a dent in the opposing vehicle 203 mm deep. The dispersion and aiming time are quite satisfying and make 0.35 at 100 m and 1.7, respectively. As for the view range it is 370 m.

 

Let’s touch upon its survivability, because regardless of how good you are at firing, what matters is whether you are good at surviving or not. So, to keep your 800 hit points intact, you will have to excel at the art of positioning as, let’s face it, the vehicle has cardboard-thick armor reaching up to 12 mm in the hull and up to 127 mm in the turret. However, the TD’s mobility makes up for its lame armor easily, with a max speed reaching 72 km/h and a power-to-weight ratio of 23.5 hp/t.

   

Summing up, the М18 (90) provides for a familiar gameplay typical of a dynamic TD that’s at its best when used in the ambush role. To make the best of this American, take the most advantageous position (the TD can do it quickly) and then keep adapting yourself to the situation and follow the allies while supporting them at a distance.

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Actinid, 15 October 2019 - 04:40 PM.


SiliconSidewinder #2 Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:22 PM

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a larger picture would be nice ;)

Dexatroph #3 Posted 15 October 2019 - 02:26 PM

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View PostSiliconSidewinder, on 15 October 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

a larger picture would be nice ;)

 

 

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Edited by Dexatroph, 15 October 2019 - 02:28 PM.


Dr_Oolen #4 Posted 15 October 2019 - 02:32 PM

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Interesting balancing... seems like literally a hellcat but with some minor pointless buffs like 0.5s reload, reverse speed and traverse speed. And 40 less pen on gold. Considering how hellcat isnt really that good anyway anymore and is just a mediocre t6 td (all t6 tds are bad), this could as well be a t6 td with those same stats but 600 HP instead of 800. Unless the dispersions are much better than on hellcat. But even then it would be probably a terrible T7 td with that awful penetration.

leggasiini #5 Posted 15 October 2019 - 03:19 PM

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Basically KV-122 2: Electric Boogaloo - pre-nerf version of a popular tier 6 up tiered as a shitty, low-effort tier 7 premium with some minimalish changes. It has stuff like 20kph reverse speed, better traverse, DPM and most likely significantly better dispersion values, just like the old pre-nerf Hellcat.

 

That being said, for some reason it loses the ridiculous APCR penetration even though it's tier higher. The gun as whole seems really...bad. Hellcat's own gun isn't particularly good at tier 6, either, and at least it has that ridiculous APCR shell. This thing has a significantly worse premium shell and it can also meet tanks like E 75, Type 4 and T95. 

 

Really it's nothing but an extremely low-effort, underwhelming and lazy copy-paste premium tank that's only purpose is to feed on nostalgia-blinded people. Just like the KV-122.

 

Most likely will forget that this even exists until it's released, and then probably will forget that it's in the game after the release.


Edited by leggasiini, 15 October 2019 - 03:20 PM.


xx984 #6 Posted 15 October 2019 - 03:37 PM

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Make it special, Give it a 105mm Or something. Already 2 fast, Paper, American prem TD's in the form of the T-78 and M56 Scorpion. Which are significantly better

 

Hell even the same sort of gun the TL-1 LPC gets, 280 Alpha, 280 Heat pen on gold would be good. Pen wouldn't be that crazy for tier 7 TD as the M56 Already gets 275 Pen HEAT


Edited by xx984, 15 October 2019 - 03:40 PM.


MrEdweird #7 Posted 15 October 2019 - 04:13 PM

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Not too happy about this one. Would have preferred the 105.

Edited by MrEdweird, 15 October 2019 - 04:14 PM.


HaLlak65 #8 Posted 15 October 2019 - 04:40 PM

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Pre nerf Hellcat but in T7???? FU WG!!! Take my money again…

Actinid #9 Posted 15 October 2019 - 04:41 PM

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View PostSiliconSidewinder, on 15 October 2019 - 12:22 PM, said:

a larger picture would be nice ;)


I edited the post with a larger picture =) !



8126Jakobsson #10 Posted 15 October 2019 - 06:07 PM

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167/203 pen on a tier 7 TD. So it's like an E25 with standard MM and totally not an E25. I smell a bestseller.  

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 15 October 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

167/203 pen on a tier 7 TD. So it's like an E25 with standard MM and totally not an E25. I smell a bestseller.  


Except it's much bigger and the rof is nowhere near as devastating.

I would much rather they do this up and give it a nice makeover with some wartime kit.

It looks the same as the tech tree one. What exactly is the value proposition here?



baratoz1701 #12 Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:30 PM

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talk about pointless....... 

 

didnt you JUST release a t6 premium american TD, so that would make this a tech tree tank right? RIGHT? but so much worse tier for tier than normal hellcat

 

Would have second worst in class pen on both standard and premium shells (beaten only by e25), and has slightly adjusted stats in comparison to the tier 6. WG are getting really really desperate


Edited by baratoz1701, 15 October 2019 - 10:40 PM.


Unicreator #13 Posted 16 October 2019 - 08:47 AM

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Needs more pen

XxKuzkina_MatxX #14 Posted 21 October 2019 - 11:32 PM

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Some changes were tested today for the super hellcat...

 

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  • Lower DPM
  • Better accuracy and gun handling
  • Better engine power

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 22 October 2019 - 01:28 AM.


xx984 #15 Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:12 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 October 2019 - 10:32 PM, said:

Some changes were tested today for the super hellcat...

 

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  • Lower DPM
  • Better gun handling
  • Better engine power

No pen changes? Sigh :facepalm:



XxKuzkina_MatxX #16 Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:13 AM

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View Postxx984, on 22 October 2019 - 04:12 AM, said:

No pen changes? Sigh :facepalm:

 

Patience my friend. The Turtle Mk. I started the same way and its pen got buffed later. :)

 

There is no need really to say this to a good player and a smart person as well but here goes. It's easier when tweaking the pen values, especially for TDs, to start with lower pen and see what sticks. That way you won't end up with a super penetration that isn't actually needed which could encourage "static" gameplay. This here is the belt-and-suspenders edition of what started out as an innocent one sentence post.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 22 October 2019 - 05:13 AM.


Krazy_Kalle #17 Posted 22 October 2019 - 12:32 PM

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I'm always open to new content, but in cases like this, I just ask myself: "Why?"

USA already has two Tier VII premium TDs. Both of them are something quite different from the standard tanks. T110E4 is still missing a similar crew trainer at Tier VIII.

This does add nothing new and/or special to the game. Besides that the premium pen here is way less than the standard pen of the M56 Scorpion.

But as long as it is balanced, I'm fine with that und would maybe buy it with a fat discount :D

baratoz1701 #18 Posted 22 October 2019 - 07:54 PM

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I see that if this went into the game right now, it would not only have 2nd worst pen but would now have worst DPM for t7 td's

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The T25/2 is a pretty underwhelming tier 7 TD, but that at least has near 2k DPM, 170 standard pen and 258 APCR. 

 

This thing is faster, but apart from that its pretty much worse in every other way and very mediocre for a tier 7 TD. 

 

Like others have said the Hellcat is nothing special at tier 6, this tank seems like basically the old pre-nerf Hellcat in mobility with a much worse gun, which to me says tier 6.

 

As others have said like 280 alpha or something and like 180-190 pen with 280 HEAT might be an option, but at the moment you have a tier 7 TD that can't even pen an O-Ni frontally, let alone the monsters on tier 8 and 9 it will face with 203 pen premium round that the same as the Tiger 1's standard round. Bit stupid to have a tier 7 TD that has no alpha or penetration advantages over several tier 7 heavy tanks. 



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View Posttajj7, on 23 October 2019 - 08:19 AM, said:

 

As others have said like 280 alpha or something and like 180-190 pen with 280 HEAT might be an option, but at the moment you have a tier 7 TD that can't even pen an O-Ni frontally, let alone the monsters on tier 8 and 9 it will face with 203 pen premium round that the same as the Tiger 1's standard round. Bit stupid to have a tier 7 TD that has no alpha or penetration advantages over several tier 7 heavy tanks. 

 

IMO the Hellcat should be a 'light flanking TD', in that the Super Hellcat and the 90mm is more then sufficient for that role if combined with good mobility.

Heck take at the T20, unless you think it is underpowered, for a tier 7 with the same 90mm it does well.

 

From my pov, purely looking at it and what would be logically fitting.

WG should rework the tier 6 Hellcat again, return it's former mobility and make it more akin in progression to the former tank the T67 (which needs to be nerfed!). Make the 76mm's M4A2 top gun and give all M4A2's guns the M79 ap shell as standard, like on the M4A1on the T23E3. Perhaps a derp gun option after the HE rework would be nice.

Then a Super Hellcat as tier 7 would logically fit, although I don't like them making premiums out of former tech tree tanks.

 






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