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basse1984 #1 Posted 17 October 2019 - 10:49 AM

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what the ….. is the point with that overpowered Progetto 46?? im tired of being pounded by that stupid tank in frontline all the time... 

 

when do WOT admit that they have made a tank that are way overpowered???

 

compared to T69 for example wich is the only tier 8 medium i have you dont have a chance at all.

 

but im getting killed or detract 4-8 times in row and get killed bye those stupid tanks.. 

 

its to fast

accuracy must be stupidly good.. i get pounded in the top turret from miles away like bum bum bum with a second apart..

to high dmg and reload and so on.

 

on top of all not everyone can bye it.. 

 

im actually so frustrated over the balance in the game that does not exist im thinking about leaving the game again after i came back with a 6 years brake..

 

i can really understand why wargaming have had some problems with getting new players. 


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Stevies_Team #2 Posted 17 October 2019 - 11:20 AM

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I think cliploaders have killed the purity of the game

 

No cliploaders would make for more balanced gameplay

 

and the progetto is just... plus you can mount a rammer on it!



Negativvv #3 Posted 17 October 2019 - 11:22 AM

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Of course the 65 pounds you, it is the T10...

 

If you mean the 46 then it's pretty good too.

 

If the T69 is the only T8 you have then maybe you lack experience...



basse1984 #4 Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

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View PostNegativvv, on 17 October 2019 - 10:22 AM, said:

Of course the 65 pounds you, it is the T10...

 

If you mean the 46 then it's pretty good too.

 

If the T69 is the only T8 you have then maybe you lack experience...

Its the only tier 8 medium. Havent played medium tanks that  much. 

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View PostNegativvv, on 17 October 2019 - 10:22 AM, said:

Of course the 65 pounds you, it is the T10...

 

If you mean the 46 then it's pretty good too.

 

If the T69 is the only T8 you have then maybe you lack expe

 yeah progetto 46:-) my bad


Edited by basse1984, 17 October 2019 - 12:43 PM.


CmdRatScabies #5 Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:55 PM

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WG are giving away Progetto 46s for anniversary gifts at the moment so expect to see even more.  Already had one from the marathon but got one + other stuff as a Battle Report gift a few days ago.  If it's your anniversary soon you might be able to join the Progetto master race. 

Zmago5000 #6 Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:58 PM

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TRY Italian PANTERA its t8 with 3 clip gun,..same as progetto

ThorgrimBrenadim #7 Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:15 PM

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I have the prog and the T44-100 plus T44  ( non premium ) with good crews and yes good crews make a massive difference. But the two T44 variants are pretty good counters to the prog. You need to know what you are doing good angles moving get them to miss/bounce first shot then face hug them and most times you will win that encounter.

So yes there are issues with the prog but there are counters to it as well if you sit at medium range and beyond peeking out it will have the advantage, the auto loader can track then hit you and trading one shot for two or more you will never win.

 

I would not nerf the progs top speed it is one of the few mediums that can drive off single and sometimes two WV but would agree to reducing it's reverse by around 2kph maybe even upto 4-5 kph if they buffed track and turret rotation speed to make it a really good medium to counter WV. 


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basse1984 #8 Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:29 PM

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it really just needs to be nerfed.. maybe some aim time and reload maybe speed.. 

 

havent played it but i constantly get pounded bye them 3-4 shoots and they all penn in a few seconds..

t69 for example its hard to penn and you really need to aim betwen every shot..

 

Theres no balance at all in that stupid progetto.. 

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 17 October 2019 - 11:55 AM, said:

WG are giving away Progetto 46s for anniversary gifts at the moment so expect to see even more.  Already had one from the marathon but got one + other stuff as a Battle Report gift a few days ago.  If it's your anniversary soon you might be able to join the Progetto master race. 


ive just made a comeback from a 5 year brake.. so havent got the chance of getting one or win one.. but even if i had it i would still think its way overpowered.. at that time i grinded the t69 it was a good tank but guess it has been nerfed:-(



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View Postbasse1984, on 17 October 2019 - 01:29 PM, said:

ive just made a comeback from a 5 year brake.. so havent got the chance of getting one or win one.. but even if i had it i would still think its way overpowered.. at that time i grinded the t69 it was a good tank but guess it has been nerfed:-(

Make sure you check your emails around the date you started playing - I think they give you 14 days to claim the gift.



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View Postbasse1984, on 17 October 2019 - 01:29 PM, said:

it really just needs to be nerfed.. maybe some aim time and reload maybe speed.. 

 

havent played it but i constantly get pounded bye them 3-4 shoots and they all penn in a few seconds..

t69 for example its hard to penn and you really need to aim betwen every shot..

 

Theres no balance at all in that stupid progetto.. 

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ive just made a comeback from a 5 year brake.. so havent got the chance of getting one or win one.. but even if i had it i would still think its way overpowered.. at that time i grinded the t69 it was a good tank but guess it has been nerfed:-(

If your brakes have been stuck on for 5 years I would call in a mechanic,but I do hope your well rested after a 5 yr break:D



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View Postbasse1984, on 17 October 2019 - 01:29 PM, said:

t69 for example its hard to penn and you really need to aim betwen every shot..

 

I am sorry to say but this is absolutely not correct. T69 turret chin (using this term in lack of a better one) and cheeks are between 90 and 110mm thick. That, unfortunately, means that even some Tier 6 and 7 will have no problem penetrating those areas of the turret, and that area is not exactly small or hard to hit. Also your upper and lower front plate are quite soft for Tier 8+ tanks.

 

I find quit strange that you would play an autoloader with 4 clip mag and call progettos OP, as they have a 3 clip auto-reloader and their armor is made out of toilet paper. Yes, they have mobility and yes auto-reloading mechanic can be very powerful when used correctly.

 

Gun handling and precision is not the best but not the worse either. I am missing quite a few shots, and gun trolls me very often but that just might be my own perception. Same can be said for you, it might be down to your own perception that Progettos are hiting each an every shot fired at you.

 

The fact is, Progettos are current meta at T8 for flexible medium tanks, and that goes even further for FrontLine.

 

After a 5 year break you cant expect to come back to the game and see everything stayed the same. Powercreep is a thing, T69 is out of meta, Progetto is current meta.



Captain_Kremen0 #12 Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:43 PM

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You could play one of your other Tier 8's in frontline - or just admit that you suck at tier 8 gameplay.

basse1984 #13 Posted 17 October 2019 - 03:24 PM

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View PostCaptain_Kremen0, on 17 October 2019 - 01:43 PM, said:

You could play one of your other Tier 8's in frontline - or just admit that you suck at tier 8 gameplay.

I compared the progetto with a tier8 medium i know. i dont Play it. I Play løwe and t34 in frontline. But where everr i go a progetto hides or flank me and done deal when they empty a clip. 

 

The præcision must be ridiciolus good. At far distance they penn the little hatch on top of turret fast with all 3 shots and it isnt that big on a T34 or Løwe 

 

My point is that its just way overpowered. Look at the score after battle. Progetto is always at the top of dmg. And thats just not right a medium tank dominates that much in dmg over for example TD or heavies..

 

its a heavy tank with all benefits of a medium. and even a fast and good medium.

 

have it been a tank everyone could grind in the tech tree that would be another story. but when its only avaliable for the few that got lucky or have money and got one when it was for sale its way overpowered.. its ruins the dynamic like crapin the game.


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View Postbasse1984, on 17 October 2019 - 01:29 PM, said:

it really just needs to be nerfed.. maybe some aim time and reload maybe speed.. 

 

havent played it but i constantly get pounded bye them 3-4 shoots and they all penn in a few seconds..

t69 for example its hard to penn and you really need to aim betwen every shot..

 

Theres no balance at all in that stupid progetto..

 

It's a premium, it won't be nerfed. They did that to the T26E4 once.... did not work out too well. And they also wanted to "touch" the KV-5.... did not work out too well either. And WG walked away without touching it.

 

Do I think the Italian tier 8+'s are OP? Not really. Situational strong? Indeed. And in FL with 5-6 of them vs your 69. Then anything is stronger.

 

The thing with the 46 vs the T69 is that the Italians have a choice. Go 1 by 1 and have DPM, like any tier 8 med. Or go full clip and have no DPM as the first shot has the longest reload. And with no equipment and a 100% base crew, the 46 don't have much more DPM vs the 69. As if the 46 goes full clip and then fires 1 by 1. T69 can more or less get to 8 shots before he does. But as the 69 has burst damage and downtime. You don't want to go alone, nor stay in the open. 2nd line is your home. Far away from any single fire med or Italian. As if he goes 1 by 1 and holds his burst damage. You won't stand a chance without help. Like any clip gun. 



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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 17 October 2019 - 12:55 PM, said:

WG are giving away Progetto 46s for anniversary gifts at the moment.

 

Had one of those also. Too bad they only worth 1 mil credits when you already owned one ;-)

Also got 4 days premium and 30% coupon.



Hellraiser0201 #16 Posted 17 October 2019 - 04:26 PM

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I think they need to nerf its DPM or remove the ability to mount rammer.

Or reduce the alpha dmg to 200-220.


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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 17 October 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

Had one of those also. Too bad they only worth 1 mil credits when you already owned one ;-)

Also got 4 days premium and 30% coupon.

I know.  If I'd used my brain I'd have sold my Progetto for 2m+ credits before clicking "claim gift".  Same on the premium + 30% coupon - seems to include 30% on special offers this one but limited to 7 days.  






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