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Robbie_T #21 Posted 21 October 2019 - 05:12 PM

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Its because we got a lot of players who cant play LT

in the past LT was a specialist class mostly the really experienced players played it for a new challenge.

But than they changed the roll of Lt's and the MM for them....and they got more populair.....

with the downside is that a lot of people driving Lt's while they dont have map knowledge skills or crew.

they suicide rush..or playing like a td.....becuase they dont have the map knowledge.

Also some need to learn to watch there minimap....

and LT is mostly serve your team gameplay 

 



PowJay #22 Posted 21 October 2019 - 05:34 PM

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I am sorry, but the battle I have only just finished (LOST) had FOUR lights in it. A T37, two AMX ELC bis and an AMD 178B

 

Live Oaks, starting NE in the 60G FT. NOBODY in the entire team went beyond an arc proscribed by the edge of town and the edge of the swamp. BOTH ELC sat on the TD hill, as was the AMD.

 

The enemy wiped us out. When I am spotted and killed it is 1<8. Final score was 2<15.

 

TOTAL spotting from all four light vehicles in a tier V/VI battle? TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN HP, TWO ONE FIVE. 215 HP, and the T37 had 166 of that, with the wheelie having zero.


T37 and WV had 357 and 239 HP damage, which was 357 and 239 more than me, respectively, because NOBODY scouted and as soon as I moved, I was engaged by four tanks and received four penetrating hits in about one second. AMX had fired three shots between them for zero damage.



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 21 October 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

 

Or you could not be a dipshit.

 

You're a terrible player that literally loses games for your team just by being there so you're in no position to be dictating to anyone else where they should sit and what they should be doing. Mind your own business and concern yourself with what you're doing wrong, there's plenty there to keep you occupied. 

Yeah well after so much money having gone into this game,I ain't going nowhere,so suck it up



etody77 #24 Posted 21 October 2019 - 07:20 PM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 21 October 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

[edited]em next time I see LT's and meds camp in TD positions the are getting pushed out,getting so sick and tired of this, bring back team damage, I once made some one move when playing arty telling them if they did not move they would be destroyed.

 

All this does is bring more toxicity to the game, I really do believe this game leads to psychological damage

 

Some meds should camp, like Leopard

Some LT are camping too, if they have commanders with sixt sense, and they know they where spotted

Some LT have good guns for playing as snipers, like RHM Pzw

Some TDs can spot, even with poor view range, like UDES 03, if they reach a good spotting position and they dont fire.

You need to judge according with the situation

And now...about campers...

some mediums should cam on flanks, on some maps

some should go spot

some TD players should advance if the area in front of them is free, to be able to help the spotters

Example: Me in tier 9 british LT, 6 campers behind on 1 line, did 4000 spotted damage, i should make at least 8000. Result of battle: defeat

Campers blamed me for not spotting



barison1 #25 Posted 21 October 2019 - 07:34 PM

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View Postetody77, on 21 October 2019 - 07:20 PM, said:

 

Some TDs can spot, even with poor view range, like UDES 03, if they reach a good spotting position and they dont fire.

pretty much any TD that isnt shitbarn sized and has decent camo can passive spot quite reliable, doing it myself quite often when i see own LT being incompetent/not scouting



etody77 #26 Posted 21 October 2019 - 08:02 PM

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View Postbarison1, on 21 October 2019 - 07:34 PM, said:

pretty much any TD that isnt shitbarn sized and has decent camo can passive spot quite reliable, doing it myself quite often when i see own LT being incompetent/not scouting

you should have only good shooters behind

 



barison1 #27 Posted 21 October 2019 - 08:35 PM

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View Postetody77, on 21 October 2019 - 08:02 PM, said:

you should have only good shooters behind

 


true, usually a more limiting factor than the gun arc on casemate TDs :hiding:



Wreckedum #28 Posted 21 October 2019 - 09:34 PM

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I am not a great player and ruined my stats by grinding every line, of every nation to tier 8. That meant a lot of bad games, at low tiers, with a lot of horrible stock tanks.  Now I am playing the get 3 MoE game - and finding it very frustrating as I prefer lights. 

 

First wg introduced accurate hit direction indicators. So now even if not spotted the enemy know exactly where you are if you shoot them. And about the same time reduced the amount of bushes

 

Then wg introduced arcade clown tanks making getting forward fast a much riskier proposition, as everyone seems to think the only way to scout is to zoom about. This makes no sense to me as the scouts advantage is camo and view range. Why let them see you? So the main, but not only,  way for me is passive

 

But most players, not just at low levels but also the highest levels, don't really get that you are doing anything when passive. Twice today I have been abused and pushed out by the muppets whilst racking up really good spots. On the last occasion I had 9 spots and  2.2k spot assist but was constantly being haranged and fired at by the guy who was benefiting from my spots. If the team does well you can still get this silliness. If the team does badly, no matter how well you do personally, then it is always the spotters fault and not the lemmings who all went one way. Or sat at spawn hoping someone else would win for them. It seems a lot like bullying and I guess small tanks are the best target for shifting the blame

 

So many games can start with the frustration of being blocked getting forward fast by idiots who must get to their preferred spawn camp place. It's laughable that if the spotters don't get forward they have nothing to hit 

 

And then there is the weirdness of spot assist where often after the  'spotted' message, the tank I am nearest gets immediately destroyed, and I get no assist. When that happens I swap servers and it does not seem to happen again for a while. I wonder if it's some sort of cache problem - who's I don't have a clue (and wg fan boys don't bother with your 'replay or it didn't happen. I know it did and that there is no possibility of another tank being the spotter so just keep it to yourself please) If it's not assist failing then the only other explanation seems to be that someone is pre aimed at a particular place and fires a moment before the spot. But of all the places they could shoot why there? I have never had a clue how wg detect or deal with cheats but a cheat would explain it

 

But I'm at 92% for MoE on an ELC Bis at the moment so I'm gonna keep trying. Meanwhile my overall stats will continue to be bad as I am more concerned with dmg/assist than with win


Edited by Wreckedum, 21 October 2019 - 10:01 PM.


Arissos #29 Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:45 AM

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It is hard to spot targets simply because most of them dont want to get spotted. So you will not spot that TD or tank or whatever if it is just sitting bush and waiting. No amount of moving forwards (if not proxy-spotting) will help you in it in most cases. And while trying it you are likely to get spotted by the enemy spotters or campers and die. And no amount of pinging and insulting will change that. That type of behaviour will only result your team to be down one light tank. Propably cannot still spot anyone, but hey, you can then scream "noob light" and feel good about yourself. Also seems that in high tiers passive spotting is even more difficult, not that many bushes and I spam those myself if i have time to shoot. Would think most do the same.

 

As for early spots, sometimes you get them and sometimes you dont. You could be countered by WV (or a faster-than-you light tank) so you cannot rush that well in some passive spots anymore. One should still be alive to play through the game to help team, better sometimes to counter wheelie from a bit distance for example. At least if you are the only light or one of two. And if you spot enemies early from far back, it is likely only to give info (well arty might be able to try but anyway). That info is rarely used by camping "spot-for-me-tanks". But still useful to do as some players pay notice to that. All-in-all, spotting is risky and not very rewarding early if you only consider assist-dmg. Failing in it gets you reported and insulted and likely results in a loss. Success gives you basically no XP most times.

 

Also if a light is blocked early after battle starts, it is very likely he is not able to reach good spotting location anymore without getting spotted. So he has to turn back and try something else. Of course that can happen in any case, but it is a bit frustrating when you know you need to be quickly somewhere and some camper does all in his power to block you. Only to ping later for spots. Also sometimes you are spotted and have to pull back behind hard cover. And you might get spotted every time you move, or constant blind-fire might keep your light trapped. It is not always "camping and noob not spotting".

 

Most times THERE ARE VALID REASONS WHY A SPOTTER IS DOING WHAT HE IS DOING. Even when he is sniping. Many players do not understand that, do they even count tanks that are unspotted and likely waiting for a stupid push? Do they consider where enemy-spotters are? Also some players clearly do not understand that a light does not have to be within 100m of the enemy to spot something. And to get another angle to spot, means usually that map has to be won somewhere before moving. In general one does not simply go and spot enemy tanks. 

 

Just because you want to shoot, does not mean spotter can give you that vision and that does not mean he is not doing his job. Think something else you can do then. Is that position really working in this game this time? Maybe relocate? Maybe best thing is just to wait for enemy to get frustrated? Maybe your tank is suitable for something different in this match? 

 

I wouldn´t worry about the skill of most players that have played light tanks a lot. You might get a bad light tank driver and lose due to that, but that is not really that big issue in general. Most games you get someone decent or someone who is at least trying his best (or trying). I would be more worried about the majority of the team not understanding light-tank gameplay. 

 

And as a spotter, if you are not getting any assistance damage, try to think why. There are many times your team cannot shoot well or move forward due to getting spotted if they do it. Just because spotter spots, does not mean enemy spotter is not doing his job and spotting as well.

 

So in general: think before writing in chat, then think again. And then think is it any use. And saying nicely helps, there is a BIG difference in saying: "SPOT F NOOB" and saying "Can you provide some vision?" Also read the answer if one.

 

Could also apply to any tank, but since lights usually get the pings-insults-reports I tend to write lights.



NUKLEAR_SLUG #30 Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:55 AM

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View PostWreckedum, on 21 October 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

And then there is the weirdness of spot assist where often after the  'spotted' message, the tank I am nearest gets immediately destroyed, and I get no assist. When that happens I swap servers and it does not seem to happen again for a while. I wonder if it's some sort of cache problem - who's I don't have a clue (and wg fan boys don't bother with your 'replay or it didn't happen. I know it did and that there is no possibility of another tank being the spotter so just keep it to yourself please) If it's not assist failing then the only other explanation seems to be that someone is pre aimed at a particular place and fires a moment before the spot. But of all the places they could shoot why there? I have never had a clue how wg detect or deal with cheats but a cheat would explain it

 

If you didn't get the assist then you weren't the one doing the spotting, that's just how it works. Replay or it didn't happen. 



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View PostWreckedum, on 21 October 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

And then there is the weirdness of spot assist where often after the  'spotted' message, the tank I am nearest gets immediately destroyed, and I get no assist. 

You get the first spot. Does not mean the shooter cannot see the tank himself a bit later. Often happens when the spotted tank starts moving after sixth sense or fires as he notices he is spotted. Or he is simply moving closer to the shooter before getting hit.



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View PostPowJay, on 19 October 2019 - 06:06 PM, said:

I can- to some extent- forgive those who find themselves in a Pz 38na on the road to the infamous Tiger I, but as for those who are in tier VI+ on a LIGHT TANK line, I really want to throttle them most days.

 

I am primarily a TD player. WG nerfed view range to make them more team dependent. Dependent on MORONS who want to redline in their Luchs, and AMX ELC bis, and M5 Stuarts and many other tanks that used to see tier VIII and higher.

 

I can understand the culture shock of being thrown into a tier VIII battle after only 50 games and thinking that you had landed on another planet, but with normal MM, WHY THE ACTUAL [EDITED NAUGHTY WORD] DO YOU PLAY LTs IF ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS SIT AS FAR BACK AS POSSIBLE?

 

Play SPGs, FFS, at least you can try and contribute while sitting on your backside.

I think you may to forgive a lot of them.
For the majority of players in Light Tanks, they're just a rung on the ladder. These people have no interest in learning what lights are good at because they're just "passing through", so to speak, and when they find themselves as bottom tier they simply hide because they don't have a clue what else they're supposed to do.
Many times, I've seen a player in a light at tier5+ complaining that they're "bottom tier again", which kinda proves that they don't understand why.

 

I'd bet that few of them understand view ranges, too. Most will not know what their tank's view range is, whether it's good, adequate, or mediocre, & how that affects what they can do or how they should do it.
The vast majority will never have watched the official Spotting & Camo Guide so they don't understand how to hide their tank while spotting the enemy. These are the same people who complain about "Invisible tanks".

 

And yes, it's a culture shock. Up to tier 5 they've been doing OK against enemy meds & heavies so they try to do the same thing in a tier 7/8 game & rapidly die. This probably happens many times, so they come to the conclusion that LTs are useless and the only way they can make a contribution is to hide at the back & maybe pick up a little XP by defending base or the arty, picking up a few kills on damaged enemies or lights.

 

Remember too that most have no idea how to set up a light tank so that it's an effective scout, so they take it into battle with the wrong equipment & crew skills, & (no surprise) even when they try to spot they fail.
When this happens, getting enough XP to improve is nigh on impossible so the circle of failure continues.







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