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Are the 430s worth it and why?


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wEight_Tanker #1 Posted 23 October 2019 - 08:33 PM

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I'm more of an organic player with bad RNG luck. I don't really tend to spend too many credits on dabbing the 2key at the start of the round. Are the 430s worth it? Is the gun handling of the 122mms actually decent? The fact that many shot me while on the move only gives me a "no u" rather than an actual answer.

lnfernaI #2 Posted 23 October 2019 - 08:38 PM

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they are definitely worth it in the currenta meta,but they will promote and develop bad playing habits.

Solstad1069 #3 Posted 23 October 2019 - 08:38 PM

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I like it very well, but i have my 2K battles rudy crew in it so that might help. Its not like T54 that needs 2 key a bit too often.
And being top tier with only 3 tier 9s, you can play almost like a heavy.
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View PostlnfernaI, on 23 October 2019 - 08:38 PM, said:

they are definitely worth it in the currenta meta,but they will promote and develop bad playing habits.

 

Kind of what i experience when i go from 430 to Standard B. :P



TankkiPoju #4 Posted 23 October 2019 - 08:41 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 23 October 2019 - 08:38 PM, said:

they are definitely worth it in the currenta meta,but they will promote and develop bad playing habits.

 

What bad habits are those? Not playing bad tank lines? Not using gold and free XP to unlock modules?

Edited by TankkiPoju, 23 October 2019 - 08:42 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 23 October 2019 - 08:41 PM

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Decent armour. Big gun. What's not to like? 

Solstad1069 #6 Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:00 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 23 October 2019 - 08:41 PM, said:

 

What bad habits are those? Not playing bad tank lines? Not using gold and free XP to unlock modules?

 

Its the difference between a 430 and Standard B.
430 will many times forgive the mistakes you do.


Edited by Solstad1069, 23 October 2019 - 09:00 PM.


MeNoobTank #7 Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:03 PM

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"Are 430 worth it?" - YES

"Why?" - Because they are OP !

 



lnfernaI #8 Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:08 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 23 October 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

 

What bad habits are those? Not playing bad tank lines? Not using gold and free XP to unlock modules?

well, ask yourself -

 

"What happens when I start playing idiot-proof tanks, that rarely, or not at all, punish me for mistakes I rightfully deserve?"



XxKuzkina_MatxX #9 Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:33 PM

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Of course it's worth it but HEAT or gold in general is necessary in tier 10 battles. Take your time to aim at tier 8s wit the standard ammo they aren't that dangerous. But when you're facing a tier 10 heavy or a TD that's about to blast you for 750 you need to kill it first.

 

Its gun handling is very but don't confuse that with accuracy because it isn't an accurate tank. Yet it can snap shoot and fire on the move like a boss.



NoobySkooby #10 Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:38 PM

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View PostMeNoobTank, on 23 October 2019 - 09:03 PM, said:

"Are 430 worth it?" - YES

"Why?" - Because they are OP !

 

This sums it up perfectly:D

 

It it is OP, we want it.



feoffle3 #11 Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:43 PM

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Only played the Tier IX so far.

 

It’s a very good tank. The only negatives are, it’s hard to get the ace, and 280k XP to unlock the Tier X.



xx984 #12 Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:49 PM

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430U is another one of those over hyped tanks by the community. Sure its not bad, but isn't OP.

 

Has decent armour but lower plate is pretty easy to pen, and its a tank that is rather easy to over angle by accident. Cupolas can be penned by gold, and upper plate is paper for gold shells. Hull roof can also be overmatched. The gun is pretty trashy, unless right up in your enemies face, even then it misses easy shots. Its a slightly toned down version of the 113, Worse hull armour, gun and less gun depression (over the sides), But gains better turret armour 



kaneloon #13 Posted 23 October 2019 - 10:38 PM

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If you are a "too" agressive player and like to yolo you will do better than with your usual tanks.



kaneloon #14 Posted 23 October 2019 - 10:49 PM

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Checking your .6 spotting ratio you don't seem very agressive, so I suppose you should maybe more aim for the Obj 140 which can snipe more.

TankkiPoju #15 Posted 24 October 2019 - 07:05 AM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 23 October 2019 - 09:08 PM, said:

well, ask yourself -

 

"What happens when I start playing idiot-proof tanks, that rarely, or not at all, punish me for mistakes I rightfully deserve?"

 

Why wouldn't you play a tank by using its full strenght against enemies?

 

Do you also play that T69 as a single shot tank, because using an autoloader allows you to escape situations? You know, get punished like you rightfully would deserve by playing bad.

 

Do you also not use gun depression or hulldown locations, because that would give you an advantage over enemies?

 

I'm sorry, but your opinion just seems to be only noobs play actually good tanks in WoT. 


Edited by TankkiPoju, 24 October 2019 - 07:07 AM.


splash_time #16 Posted 24 October 2019 - 07:22 AM

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I haven't play this tank yet but as I know, 430 is a real excellent tank. I've seen a lot of shots where you aim and it supposed to pen but it bounce off or it just turns to "tracking shot".

Russian tanks are snap shots kings! Best example is KV 2 where players blind shot tanks while moving! :D

 

So yeah, away from jokes? It worth it.

 


Edited by splash_time, 24 October 2019 - 07:23 AM.


etody77 #17 Posted 24 October 2019 - 07:52 AM

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My first game in 430U: top tier against tier 8, Himmelsdorf, 6 kills,

It's like T-34-85M against tier 4

Or O-Ni top tier against tier 5 :))


Edited by etody77, 24 October 2019 - 07:52 AM.


JocMeister #18 Posted 24 October 2019 - 09:29 AM

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I usually love tier 9 MTs but the gunhandling on the 430 makes me hate it.

 

My least favorite tier 9 MT in the game. Not looking forward to mark it. 



Evilier_than_Skeletor #19 Posted 24 October 2019 - 10:46 AM

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This isn't the first time 430s have been described as idiot proof. Could someone explain how the tier 9 is that? You got a middle mounted turret with 5 degrees of gun depression and very fragile things right behind the LFP. I'm not saying it's not a strong tank. But I'm saying a whole lot will go wrong very quickly if putting Hodor to the max.

tajj7 #20 Posted 24 October 2019 - 10:52 AM

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View Postxx984, on 23 October 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

430U is another one of those over hyped tanks by the community. Sure its not bad, but isn't OP.

 

Has decent armour but lower plate is pretty easy to pen, and its a tank that is rather easy to over angle by accident. Cupolas can be penned by gold, and upper plate is paper for gold shells. Hull roof can also be overmatched. The gun is pretty trashy, unless right up in your enemies face, even then it misses easy shots. Its a slightly toned down version of the 113, Worse hull armour, gun and less gun depression (over the sides), But gains better turret armour 

 

Disagree the hype is pretty much spot on, its a tank with no weaknesses, just a few areas people claim are weak but are in reality average.

 

Cupolas are 50/50 to 330 pen HEAT IF you hit the right spot, the whole turret is amazing and you can rely on it pretty much like an IS-7. If you manage to use the gun depression as well with some angle, then even your upper plate troubles HEAT. 

 

The hull does more than you need to, it's also better than the 113 hull, the upper plate is better, the upper side armour is angled with 30mm spaced armour so can produce some troll bounces even if slightly over angled. 

 

Gun handling is very good, it has amazing dispersion levels for 440 alpha, only the UDES can match it for gun handling for that alpha. 

 

Aimed accuracy is a bit meh, but when you have that armour you don't really care.

 

Of course it has 340 HEAT unlike most of the other meds as well.

 

And people forget it has the the 3rd best camo out of all tier 10 meds, higher stationary camo than 3 of the tier 10 lights, which means together with it's 400m view range means its a very good spotter as well.

 

The only thing a 113 has over a 430U is side gun depression, HP and little more DPM, everything else the 430U is better, armour, mobility, gun handling, camo all better. 

 

It's an amazing tank that clearly needs a nerf, it has no real drawbacks, standard -5 soviet gun depression, meh accuracy and average hp/ton don't balance out amazing armour on a highly mobile package with alpha and good gun handling. 

 

Aside the 279e, it's the easiest to play tank I have played on tier 10. For randoms its absurd because it can basically do any role well, it can be a heavy as its armour is better or on par with most heavies, it can be a med because it has the mobility and gun handling, it can spot because of the camo, it can basically do everything you want. 

 

Oh and often in the MM it gets matched against other medium tanks, which means it gets lined up against T-62As, Cent AXs, E50Ms etc. than cannot do anything like it can do and it can completely bully those tanks.  If you have a 430U on your team then your team pretty much has an extra heavy tank that can still be a medium tank. 


Edited by tajj7, 24 October 2019 - 11:33 AM.





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