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TheNightFox #1 Posted 29 October 2019 - 01:45 PM

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I hope I'm not breaking any rule by posting this video as the main thing on this topic:

https://www.youtube....h?v=0iEVkVuhMKQ

 

I think this two guys, which by the way I think are some of the best CCs for this community, did a really fine job with this video, and it's a REALLY helpful resource for players that need some help to choose the next line to grind.

 

Also, I'm interested in your opinion, are they accurate? Are they off on some tanks? Why? Looking forward for a civil discussion :)



Gruff_ #2 Posted 29 October 2019 - 02:29 PM

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I'm 20 or 30 mins through - the chat is interesting but the visual really needs tank names under the pics or something, as a thing to consult it's quite convaluted.

ChristOfTheAbyss #3 Posted 29 October 2019 - 02:48 PM

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Chieftain not broken. Now people can stop crying about it?

Cobra6 #4 Posted 29 October 2019 - 03:14 PM

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Since this is about *all* tanks I won't report this one for not being in the videos section, it's actually more general knowledge/discussion.

 

Interesting video.

 

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feoffle3 #5 Posted 29 October 2019 - 03:55 PM

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The only thing I disagree with is the WZ-132-1, I really like it.

 

Can we also get some acknowledgement that the EBR 105 is broken now.



Wintermute_1 #6 Posted 29 October 2019 - 05:49 PM

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Saw the Deathstar in Solid and questioned the value of this as a reference for me.

24doom24 #7 Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:09 PM

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EBR 105 broken, exactly where it should be.

MeNoobTank #8 Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:12 PM

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imo T57 Heavy should be up tiered in their list. I think it is better than Kranvagn.

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Hellraiser0201 #9 Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:31 PM

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They overrated Amx 13 105 imo. It is definitely worse than a B-C 25t.

13 105 should have been in the mediocre or solid section while BatChat 25t should have been in solid/good.


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OIias_of_Sunhillow #10 Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:32 PM

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It would have been nicer in a written list. Instead of having to, either watch the vid, or FF through the incidental pieces.

Maybe it was just too long. I've been to the cinema, watched a movie, and got back home quicker.  :teethhappy:

 

I would also be very interested in other tiers similarly 'graded'.

But an interesting vid all the same.

 

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MeNoobTank #11 Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:33 PM

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View PostHellraiser0201, on 29 October 2019 - 09:31 PM, said:

They overrated Amx 13 105 imo. It is definitely worse than a B-C 25t.

agreed. It makes no sense that they put BC 25t lower than AMX 13 105



Balc0ra #12 Posted 29 October 2019 - 10:06 PM

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Not played all of them ofc, but I agree with the few I have played. Trash is definitely in need of changes. Tho I doubt that will appear soon.

RamRaid90 #13 Posted 29 October 2019 - 10:14 PM

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View PostMeNoobTank, on 29 October 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

imo T57 Heavy should be up tiered in their list. I think it is better than Kranvagn.

 

YOU think it is. But it isn't.

 

Kran is far more powerful and suited to the current game than the T57 Heavy.



MeNoobTank #14 Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:03 AM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 29 October 2019 - 10:14 PM, said:

 

YOU think it is. But it isn't.

 

Kran is far more powerful and suited to the current game than the T57 Heavy.

 

imo = in my opinion

 

but you didn't say why kran is better. T57 is better for me because has better armor all around it is more trollish even for gold spam, kranvgn all it has is the turret that can be spamed by HE and become useless. The most annoying thing about Kranvgn is that is very fragile to HE and mostly from arty, they can roll over 500 dmg. T57 can also sidescrape. Both have derpy gun handling but atleast T57 has very good penetration by both AP and HEAT. Kran has both rounds bad, the standard being APCR that lose more pen. Also the DPM on T57 is the best, the reload of the 4 clip is like 2 seconds slower than Kran's 3 shots clip.



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2 hour vid? As much as I like watching vids by both contributors, the lack of written text or a full list as an attachment to the vid makes me lazy and ask someone here if they wrote it all down and is willing to share? :hiding:

Ceeb #16 Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:35 AM

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I enjoyed the collaboration between Dez and Skill, I'd like to see more of this time of comparison, T9 next ?

 

Well it was great to see that they both thought the EBR 105 and 279e were broken, Totally agree with the Chietain, its hyper good but not broken, The SC is the same, I only wish i was good in the SC, like think i was in the Conq.

 

T10 chinese light, I loved the T9... did really well in it, but the T10, whoa itsjust poor in my hands, I still have it but I play as a medium, hoping lights get buffed.

 

Wish I hadn't pimped my PTA with purples, I really would like the 121b as for some reason I like the 121.

 

Will WG listen to these respected players? i doubt it.  becuase Balanced Da?



splash_time #17 Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:44 AM

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View PostMeNoobTank, on 29 October 2019 - 11:42 PM, said:

imo T57 Heavy should be up tiered in their list. I think it is better than Kranvagn.

 

Absolutely not. I respect your opinion.  But as a proud owner of a Kranvagn, I absolutely recommend it on T 57 heavy, because I played them both, and I've chosen Kranv. 

Speed and armour is the most important thing is this meta, and kranv is even easier to play! :D

I loved the HEAT pen of t57, but the way it works for dealing damage?....meh.

And also kranv have higher DPS(damage per shot) which allows you to use less shells for enemies with 500-560 HP. 



tajj7 #18 Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:47 AM

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Disagree that the EBR 105 is broken, think they have listed quite a few tanks there that are solid or good that are probably more situational. 

 

279e is not broken either, its just flat out OP. 

 

They have over rated Super Conq IMO, it's good, it is IMO worse than the Obj. 260 by a lot, but they have just listed the 260 as 'good', when its clearly the best heavium aside maybe the 430U. 

 

Fv215b 183 is not solid, its one of the most situational one trick ponies in the game, 30b is just bad not solid as well. 

 

Strv to me is situational, not sure how a TD that has to sit still most of the time and fire from range can be anything but, SKill calls it the best 'sniper schnitzel' but snipers are pretty much situational, especially if they don't have a turret. 

 

Grille 15 is over rated there as well IMO, but again it's another tank Skill likes a lot. 

 

But at the end of the day it's just two guys opinions, Skill is known to prefer like fast meds/lights, not heavies, Dez really likes the 183 and 215b, clearly those thoughts influence their positions. 


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View Posttajj7, on 30 October 2019 - 10:47 AM, said:

Disagree that the EBR 105 is broken, think they have listed quite a few tanks there that are solid or good that are probably more situational. 

 

279e is not broken either, its just flat out OP. 

 

They have over rated Super Conq IMO, it's good, it is IMO worse than the Obj. 260 by a lot, but they have just listed the 260 as 'good', when its clearly the best heavium aside maybe the 430U. 

 

Fv215b 183 is not solid, its one of the most situational one trick ponies in the game, 30b is just bad not solid as well. 

 

Strv to me is situational, not sure how a TD that has to sit still most of the time and fire from range can be anything but, SKill calls it the best 'sniper schnitzel' but snipers are pretty much situational, especially if they don't have a turret. 

 

Grille 15 is over rated there as well IMO, but again it's another tank Skill likes a lot. 

 

But at the end of the day it's just two guys opinions, Skill is none to prefer like fast meds/lights, not heavies, Dex really likes the 183 and 215b, clearly those thoughts influence their positions. 

 

Just as your opinion is one guys opinion, While I do respect your knowledge i do think your're wrong about the EBR 105, Same with the 279e.  But thats just one guys opinion (that makes three to one ) :) .  Out of the two tanks for being broken I agree,  I even agree the Chieftain isnt broken. just very very good, and better than the SC by little margin



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View PostCeeb, on 30 October 2019 - 11:40 AM, said:

 

Just as your opinion is one guys opinion, While I do respect your knowledge i do think your're wrong about the EBR 105, Same with the 279e.  But thats just one guys opinion (that makes three to one ) :) .  Out of the two tanks for being broken I agree,  I even agree the Chieftain isnt broken. just very very good, and better than the SC by little margin

 

The Strv, the 183s, the JpE100 and all the arties are broken in my eyes compared to an EBR. 

 

I think those sort of tanks have way more impact on gameplay especially coupled with broken map design. They are things that are unbalanced and very hard to counter.  EBR I can counter easily, it has clear weaknesses, it drives around in front of you always spotted most of the time, which to me makes it pretty easy and obvious how to deal with it and why I do not understand why people claim it's broken, but seem perfectly fine being farmed by some camping TD they can't out spot or out flank, or constantly clicked on by arty they can do nothing about. 

 

When I play a game at tier 10 I look at the number of arty, how many camping TD bots there are that I will have to dig out from some OP position and then I consider the rest of the tanks. 

 

So that would be my definition of 'broken' something that is likely to have a massive impact on how the game goes regardless of how I play and what I do, EBR doesn't generally fit that because I feel I can deal with them quite comfortably and having played it I know how hard it is to play, how easily you get shut down and how it is not that effective on most maps. For example 183s will sit in some position OP base camping spot, locking down a flank, where no one wants to push forward and where if RNG favours them it will one shot people, that to me is broken. (and ironically one of the best counters to it is an EBR). 

 

Same with arty, you can't counter it, it will hit you whatever, and it boost the influence of bad players way above their skill level, and 3 of them in the game massively shuts down movement and active player, with no real hope to counter it, 3 arty a side games, 6 people are playing the game, and 24 other people are avoiding being clicked on, that is broken. 

 

For me there are no clear options to counter that play, to defeat those things I need my team to have a big numbers advantage and to work together to overcome those OP spots with their TD or clear the path of enemies to remove the arty. 

 

For an EBR, I just shoot it and it dies or it takes damage and runs way, I outspot with ease from bushes, I can use my armour and good positioning to negate its offensive capabilities, basically I can easily see a path of I do X and Y then EBR dies, so I don't see the fuss about it. 

 

I'd rather fight something I can see all the time, that has no armour, that has low HP, that I can easily outspot, and that will not damage me easily than things I can't spot, can't outflank, that my armour doesn't work against and can do massive damage to me. 

 

Basically I'd fight an EBR all day every day, than a 183 or Strv in one those OP base camping spots. 

 

279e doesn't fit that category either, it's just very very good at what it does without enough weaknesses, it's just too strong of a tank and in randoms I also know that it will just too easily farm my teammates who will not pen it reliably but will just sit there in front it (which is similar to stuff like the T95, the tier 9 TD not the Chieftain), like I know how to deal with a 279e and know I can outplay one even if its a massively strong tank, but its hard to do that when half your team has died in front of it.

 

Same with T95/Chieftain, it's just too good and has too much good things going for it, making it OP, not broken. 

 

I am not sure their definition of 'broken' is right, T95 is not 'broken' in goof players hands, its just very very good, but it works like any other tank, and it's pretty easy to kill when not hull down. 

 






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