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SpookyBeaver #1 Posted 31 October 2019 - 09:50 PM

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So basically I unlocked the m4a3e2 with my tier VI token now I unlocked everything and am 32k under way to either the T20 or T29 and I don't really know which one to choose. I basically want to decide based on a few things but I have never played those tanks so I'd love if some of you can help me.

 

Three things:

-general playability

-noob friendliness

-difference from 430u line (difference is good currently on t-34, and it'd be a bit boring if both of the lines had the same play style but then again idk.)

 

Tanks in advance!!


Edited by juilles, 31 October 2019 - 10:07 PM.


tank276 #2 Posted 31 October 2019 - 09:54 PM

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In a nutshell, T29 is one of the best tanks tier for tier in the game.

T20 is just a  mediocre medium.

None of them has any relation to the obj 430U line,



XxKuzkina_MatxX #3 Posted 31 October 2019 - 09:57 PM

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Both are very good but the T29 is more friendly of course because it's hull down heavy with excellent turret. As long as you hide your hull and use your 10° of gun depression you're good. Only arty and tier 9s can hurt you there. Keep in mind though that the T29 is a dead end. The tanks in that line are not that good starting from tier 8.

 

The T20 is a fast medium with the same good gun depression but without any armor. Being fast helps with survivability and relocating or getting out of danger unlike the slow T29.

 

What does that have to do with the 430U? It's a Russian tier 10 medium with absolutely no similarities to these two aside from being a tank. :)

 

Also please try and enjoy the Sherman as much as you can. Getting up the tiers too fast is the best way to frustrate yourself. Take your time and learn the game and don't think about higher tiers until you're confident of your performance.


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SpookyBeaver #4 Posted 31 October 2019 - 10:06 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 31 October 2019 - 08:57 PM, said:

Both are very good but the T29 is more friendly of course because it's hull down heavy with excellent turret. As long as you hide your hull and use your 10° of gun depression you're good. Only arty and tier 9s can hurt you there.

 

The T20 is a fast medium with the same good gun depression but without any armor. Being fast helps with survivability and relocating or getting out of danger unlike the slow T29.

 

What does that have to do with the 430U? It's a Russian tier 10 medium with absolutely no similarities to these two aside from being a tank. :)

Thanks a lot. In regards to your comment about the 430U, I'm currently working towards it, and it would be a tad bit boring if both of the tank lines I'm playing have the same play style


Edited by juilles, 31 October 2019 - 10:14 PM.


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View Postjuilles, on 01 November 2019 - 01:06 AM, said:

Thanks a lot. In regards to your comment about the 430U, I'm currently working towards it, and it would be a tad bit boring if both of the tanks I'm playing have the same play style

 

Yeah i did something like that when i started playing. :)

 

I edited my post a little so reread it if you don't mind. Your mix is very good and the T29 is the perfect platform to learn about hull down positions and how to use gun depression but the problem is the rest of the line. If you don't mind staying at tier 7 then it's a beauty, a bonnie and a joy forever. :)



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View Postjuilles, on 31 October 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Three things:

-general playability

-noob friendliness

 

T29 is more new player-friendly with the turret that will bounce a few, but don't rely on the hull to do so. But... T32 might give you more of a challenge, as it uses the same gun one tier up. And there have been a few 220mm armor plates added on tier 8 of late. So you will use the T29 gun well into the M103. So take your time to aim... As you can't afford to bounce.

 

But... E2 with the stock turret and you can learn to be aggressive a bit safer as top tier before going up. That lower plate is a beast, and is arguably the most noob friendly tank on the line with the 105 derp to learn the ropes better if you will.

 

View Postjuilles, on 31 October 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

-difference from 430u line (difference is good currently on t-34)

 

430U line has more brawlers on high tiers. With a focus on armor and high alpha guns. So a more aggressive "in your face" style. US high tiers are more on DPM with more accuracy and better aim time. So it depends on your style. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 October 2019 - 10:21 PM.


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T29 is probably one of the best heavy tanks tier for tier in the game but if you intend to keep playing the line after that it's not so great (looking at you m103 and e5).

SpookyBeaver #8 Posted 31 October 2019 - 10:31 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 31 October 2019 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

Yeah i did something like that when i started playing. :)

 

I edited my post a little so reread it if you don't mind. Your mix is very good and the T29 is the perfect platform to learn about hull down positions and how to use gun depression but the problem is the rest of the line. If you don't mind staying at tier 7 then it's a beauty, a bonnie and a joy forever. :)

Just read it and I'm already enjoying it to the max. Was playing a match today with mostly tier 8s and 7s and managed to get 2 "kills" and like 800 damage, I also bounced a 430 shot from the Emil 1while I was on 150 HP.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 October 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

 

T29 is more new player-friendly with the turret that will bounce a few, but don't rely on the hull to do so. But... T32 might give you more of a challenge, as it uses the same gun one tier up. And there have been a few 220mm armor plates added on tier 8 of late. So you will use the T29 gun well into the M103. So take your time to aim... As you can't afford to bounce.

 

But... E2 with the stock turret and you can learn to be aggressive a bit safer as top tier before going up. That lower plate is a beast, and is arguably the most noob friendly tank on the line with the 105 derp to learn the ropes better if you will.

 

 

430U line has more brawlers on high tiers. With a focus on armor and high alpha guns. So a more aggressive "in your face" style. US high tiers are more on DPM with more accuracy and better aim time. So it depends on your style. 

T29 seems the right way to go, I read some more recent comments about the Pershing and it seems rather crapwhile the heavies generally seem a bit easier. Thanks for the great advice!!



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View Postjuilles, on 31 October 2019 - 10:31 PM, said:

T29 seems the right way to go, I read some more recent comments about the Pershing and it seems rather crapwhile the heavies generally seem a bit easier. Thanks for the great advice!!

 

Pershing is not terrible in the current meta. But not great either. I would not call it new player friendly tbh anymore.



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T29 is the best tier 7 heavy. You HAVE to have it. But the rest of the line is crap.

T20 is meh (good on paper but all shots hit the ground), Pershing is crapnowadays, Patton is playable.

I'm enjoyed a lot T28Prot and enjoying T30.

Also light tanks are very good all of them but TierX.

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View PostTotieso, on 31 October 2019 - 09:53 PM, said:

T29 is the best tier 7 heavy. You HAVE to have it. But the rest of the line is crap.

With "crap" do you mean bad in like playable but not very good or in the way of get the T29 and then choose another line?



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View Postjuilles, on 31 October 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

With "crap" do you mean bad in like playable but not very good or in the way of get the T29 and then choose another line?

I'd probably stop at the t29, the t32 is ok armour wise but the gun isn't great. The M103 stuggles as the roof is pretty trash so you struggle to get it hull down without getting wrecked and it's the same with the e5 and its cupola. 

 

Some still enjoy the e5 but you rarely see them anymore as it was nerfed pretty hard a while back and then the power creep we've been getting recently has only made it worse.



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T20 for learning camo mechanics / sniping.

T29 for learning hull down mechanics / tanking.



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View Postdivsmo, on 01 November 2019 - 12:43 AM, said:

I'd probably stop at the t29, the t32 is ok armour wise but the gun isn't great. The M103 stuggles as the roof is pretty trash so you struggle to get it hull down without getting wrecked and it's the same with the e5 and its cupola. 

 

Some still enjoy the e5 but you rarely see them anymore as it was nerfed pretty hard a while back and then the power creep we've been getting recently has only made it worse.

What's a recommended line I can play until tier 10?



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I'll write something proper after I'm back from work but for now I'm here to shun people from not telling you're going to have a bad time if you unlock the T29 through M4A3E2 instead of M6. Basicly what this means that you are playing a T7 HT with the 76mm gun of a tier 6 MT instead of the 2nd gun that is the 90mm gun you have as the top gun on the M6.

 

That's having to deal with 32mm worse penetration and 125 dmg less per hit while having to research the middle gun a tier higher.

 

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What I would do in your shoes is use the xp to unlock T20 but don't touch it just yet. Then start playing up the US heavy tank line, you'll learn more about the maps and usable positions in them while still playing the relatively beginner friendly low-mid tiers. Once you get the top gun unlocked on the tier VI M6 you can mount that same gun as the middle gun on the T29 and as the top gun of your T20 which is going to be a big help towards dealing with the tougher armored opponents you'll start facing with your tier VII's.

 

As others have mentioned T29 is one of the best if not the best tier 7 HT. It has great turret armor that allow you to stand your ground against higher tier opponents provided that you are able to use hulldown positions to your advantage. When hulldown keep in mind that you're not impervious to HE spam, artillery fire or people trying to snipe your cupola so avoid exposing yourself to unecessary enemy fire. Hull armor and mobility leave something to be desired so you need to be carefull not to get caught in the open while moving up to a different position that caters for your tanks strenghts. In time you'll learn to assess when it is important to hold a key position vs moving up to support your team.

 

T20 is a jack of all trades, master of none. It's a support medium that doesn't have any real armor,is fairly mobile, has enough gun depression to work ridgelines if you so desire and suffers from low dpm (damage per minute) in 1vs1 engagements. Best use for it is to hunt in packs together with your teams other mediums and once you've punched through you're free to exploit the open flank to get side & rear shots on the unsuspecting enemies. Personally I feel the gun handling is a bit too derpy to be used in long range engagements but don't be afraid of taking a few chancy shots if the opportunity presents itself.

 

Wiki for T20 mentions "Good/high alpha damage and above average penetration" as one of the main selling points for the tank and this was the case when it was being compared to some of the older mediums in the game such as Comet, T-43 & Panther. However against the newer lines the situation is as follows:

US T20 Penetration (mm) 160, Damage per shot (average dmg) 240

CZ T-34/100 Penetration (mm) 175, Damage per shot (average dmg) 250

SWE Leo Penetration (mm) 155, Damage per shot (average dmg) 300

ITA P.43 ter Penetration (mm) 165, Damage per shot (average dmg) 240


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View Postjuilles, on 01 November 2019 - 05:10 AM, said:

What's a recommended line I can play until tier 10?

Well towards Pattons is a great line tbh, Sure tier 8 might be a bit hard BUT tier 9 and 10 are awesome so if you dont lose your mind while grinding through tier 8, you will enjoy (fully unlocked, save up some free xp for atleast some of the modules, you want the top gun asap, trust me) tier 9 and 10.

 

Honestly the only tier 8's I have enjoyed playing through in a year or two have been swedish and italian mediums.. And when I think about it, swedish medium line might be the most enjoyable and not too tricky for a new player to go from tier 5 to 10 in overall.. Sure you cant trust in your armor like in russian tanks but eh...that's obvious right :)



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T29 is a beast..... but until you have unlocked some of the modules it will be painful. The 76mm gun is a handicap, it's not fast even with everything unlocked and is positively painful if you have the 1st set of tracks and engine.

 

The 90mm gun is unlocked via M6 or T20, if you don't want to play a T7 heavy with a T6 gun. With everything unlocked the T29 is arguably the best heavy in the game tier for tier.. I tend to have my best games in it when it's bottom tier.

 

The T20 is better than people are making out in this thread, what's not to like about a mobile medium with 240 Alpha, -10 Deg Gun Depression, and 243mm of APCR pen when needed. The 90mm gun does derp out on you occasionally with fully aimed shots missing. Reload is a little on the high side, ~8 secs even with a reasonable crew. Unlike the Jumbo ( E2 ) it's not a brawler and requires a different play style. With Optics and a BiA crew it has 460m of View range, which to put into perspective is the same as my Tier 8 WZ132 with Upgraded Bond optics.

 

 



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Thanks a lot all of you for the great advice! I think I'm going with the t20 because of the stock grind and it seems like a playstyle I'd like.

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View Postjuilles, on 31 October 2019 - 11:41 PM, said:

With "crap" do you mean bad in like playable but not very good or in the way of get the T29 and then choose another line?

 

By the mean that I keep my T29 for fun and didn't bother to go up in that line. And I almost have all the lines up to tier 8 at least.


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Just get both. T20 is a really nice med and the tanks after it definitely play different from the Object 430U line.. I personally like the Pattons a lot. Pershing was just average..

 

T29 is a beast well hulldown.. T32 is good as well but very situtational and  badly powercreeped in the gun department.






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