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Koz23 #21 Posted 07 November 2019 - 03:24 PM

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View Postparim1331, on 07 November 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

At least in my opinion, removing these tanks from Ranked Battles would be unfair for people that grinded CW especially to acquire them. 

 

While I agree with that, there is also the argument that some of those tanks themselves are unfair to begin with. They're overtuned, one might say it's unfair to meet them even in normal battles. Yes, people who took the effort to get them should be able to play them, but unless they're properly balanced, then maybe for the better of the game they shouldn't be allowed in a competitive environment.



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View Postparim1331, on 07 November 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

At least in my opinion, removing these tanks from Ranked Battles would be unfair for people that grinded CW especially to acquire them. 

 

Yeah sure ... "Play Clan Wars, guys, and you'll get superior tanks so you can push around the plebs in Ranked Battles". That looks like a pretty twisted concept of fairness to me. But to be fair, that is not just your opinion; it has always been like this with Wargaming. It's funny to see how they seem genuinely puzzled by the fact that a mode that clearly favours a small slice of the overall community is so unpopular with regular players.  


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View Postparim1331, on 07 November 2019 - 03:09 PM, said:

 

At least in my opinion, removing these tanks from Ranked Battles would be unfair for people that grinded CW especially to acquire them. 

lol ye,it would be unfair to those 2% of the playerbase. Let's keep it unfair to the 98% instead.

Pure WG Logic here.



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As a Super Conqueror player, my role in the battle clearly is to get sh*t on by the Pseudochieftains and 279(e)s.

 

I play my role well.



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View PostKoz23, on 07 November 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

 

While I agree with that, there is also the argument that some of those tanks themselves are unfair to begin with. They're overtuned, one might say it's unfair to meet them even in normal battles. Yes, people who took the effort to get them should be able to play them, but unless they're properly balanced, then maybe for the better of the game they shouldn't be allowed in a competitive environment.

 

View PostxB33, on 07 November 2019 - 03:51 PM, said:

lol ye,it would be unfair to those 2% of the playerbase. Let's keep it unfair to the 98% instead.

Pure WG Logic here.

 

Guys, I can see your point, but here`s the thing: 

these tanks have always been intended as reward tanks, as machines that are supposed to be nice and playable. I understand the concern that they may be too strong, but let`s not forget that they are played in most cases by very good players and this definitely affects their performance. If they were UP, people wouldn`t want them - and that`s not what we desire. 


Next thing: excluding them from Ranked Battles would look like we`re punishing players for having them by preventing them from any chance to use them. I don`t think that would be fair. Also, I assume - just assume, frankly - that if we removed them from Ranked Battles we`d see another few vehicles considered as top of the meta and dominating. What then? Would it be a solution to have them removed as well? 

I don`t think that removal of vehicles is an actual solution. 

 



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View PostFalathi, on 07 November 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

 

" but let`s not forget that they are played in most cases by very good players and this definitely affects their performance"

 

ye,well... this is why they shouldn't be flat out better than every other tank in the game. 279e - No weakspots anywhere, name one tech tree heavy tank...or heck,any tank thats better than this.

Chieftain - Better armour than most super heavies while keeping a mobility of a medium along with a deadly accurate gun. Again,the only tank that can somewhat compare is a super conqueror,and even then chieftain could pen the turret ring of it with HEAT.

 

So ye...let's give the best players OP tanks so that they can pub/rank stomp anyone else who doesn't have these.

 



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Just cancel ranked battles if this is the best you can do, its embarrassing 
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View PostxB33, on 07 November 2019 - 03:07 PM, said:

 

ye,well... this is why they shouldn't be flat out better than every other tank in the game. 279e - No weakspots anywhere, name one tech tree heavy tank...or heck,any tank thats better than this.

Chieftain - Better armour than most super heavies while keeping a mobility of a medium along with a deadly accurate gun. Again,the only tank that can somewhat compare is a super conqueror,and even then chieftain could pen the turret ring of it with HEAT.

 

So ye...let's give the best players OP tanks so that they can pub/rank stomp anyone else who doesn't have these.

 

 

279e - No weakspots anywhere"

 

Sorry what???



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View PostPuszka_Drynia, on 07 November 2019 - 02:30 PM, said:

 

When it comes to shouting you are purple for sure.

Thanks, appreciate it. At least I'm not shouting about nothing like you.

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View PostAurendil, on 07 November 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

 

You don't like people "under 2800WN"? Jesus you have some high standards...

 

Sarcasm, right?

 

Because you can practice suicide run shortcut..."W"+"die" to get there. You don't even need to use any kind of brain.

 

(Not sure if it's WN....jsut that in game stats number :girl:)



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View Postparim1331, on 07 November 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

At least in my opinion, removing these tanks from Ranked Battles would be unfair for people that grinded CW especially to acquire them. 

then simply change name of this mode to "Who has the more OP tank and camp wins"

or even dont remove reward tanks and change it to "Reward tank battles"

 

ps: an other sugestion for name is also "Gold spam rain"



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View PostKoz23, on 07 November 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

 

While I agree with that, there is also the argument that some of those tanks themselves are unfair to begin with. They're overtuned, one might say it's unfair to meet them even in normal battles. Yes, people who took the effort to get them should be able to play them, but unless they're properly balanced, then maybe for the better of the game they shouldn't be allowed in a competitive environment.

 

As it has been already stated somewhere, currently we're focusing on the ammunition rebalance, before we will proceed with touching any vehicles.

 

Should any of these changes present themselves, they will be surely announced on our portal. Nonetheless, your feedback will be forwarded.

The more of it we get, the better! :)



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A good defender should simply hold its enemies at bay. Here, you'll get additional Role XP by blocking damage and dealing damage from less than 300 metres away

Example: with its thick turret armour and strong hull, the 60TP can be an impenetrable fortress when properly placed - find the spot, and fire back.

 

So what about E 100? Huge turret, flat armor, almost like the 60TP except its an old tank, so its useless.. WG sure does not care about tanks at all.

 

Also applicable to autoloading heavy tanks, this role focuses on dealing damage in your view range (upon your own spotting) and blocking damage

Example: with a nicely slopped and terribly strong armour, the Jagdpanzer E 100 can take and hold good positions while firing back with the punch of a death star!

 

Really, lol, you barely see any in rankeds, and the few you see do not do well, because gold ammo spam, everyone spams gold, and pens it as easily as you pen the regular E 100... do you people play your own game? Also auto loading heavy tanks, you mean Kranvagn, because 50B and T57 dont block damage.... but those are old tanks so they dont matter according to WG.

 

A role for lightly armoured medium tanks that still pack mobility and a reliable gun. Get rewarded for the first spotting of enemies and dealing damage in your view range after you spot them. 

Example: powered by an amazing all-around mobility, the Bat.-Chatillon 25 t can spot fairly easily before unloading its devastating clip!

 

Rewarded for first spot, its hilarious, isnt that what EBRs do every time? Also reliable gun and Bat-Chat, you guys are good at comedy at least, it has worst aim time and worst gun handling than the gun of a 430U... it gets penned by the HE of EBR 105, reliably, meanwhile needs a miracle to land a shot in one, because RNG.

 

On the contrary, this role focuses on long-range shots and will reward ambushed tank destroyers which deal damage from medium and long-range distances

Example: firing high-velocity shells from a powerful gun, the Strv 103Bis perfect for those long-range shots. Plus, it will have a greater chance at dealing damage from afar thanks to its signal range.

 

Cant think of a map where its actually useful to the battle, except end game where most likely you have already won or lost without no impact, also good luck not getting blind shot to crap... you not getting consistent good experience playing a passive TD in rankeds.....

 

For all wheeled light tanks, the conditions are slightly different. You still have to first spot and deal damage in your view range (upon your own view range) but you will get rewarded for assisting, even if you get spotted

Example: use your boost to spot as many tanks as possible in the first minutes, then assist your team by circling around with the Panhard EBR 105.

 

Basically drive like a retard right in the face of the enemy team, RNG will keep you safe for the most part, while you can just spam HE while also not even having to carefully aim, since you get special auto aim, because it would be asking too much of WoT community to drive and aim, special aim for special people. So much skill... meanwhile every other light tank has worst mobility and gun handling, well its not like other than T-100 LT any other LT mattered before anyway...

 

Aboard such vehicles, you have to push your way into enemy territory. You will be rewarded for blocking still, but also for dealing damage within 300 metres

Example: reach the front pretty fast with the 113, only expose your front, and fire back at your enemies as much as you can!

 

YES, YES, reach the front pretty fast with 113... and block damage... you have no gun depression, you have 2 cupulas that can be penned, also garbage gun handling, at least use an IS-7 that is better in practice in everything except DPM... you will do "fine" until T95/Chieftain shows up and starts to farm you using those ridges... and that is only a few seconds later.

 

This role is destined to tank destroyers with powerful guns and/or HESH shells that will be rewarded by purely dealing damage. The closer you are to your target, the more XP you receive.

Example: use the brilliant gun depression of the FV4005 Stage II to remain close to your enemies without drawing too much danger and let your amazing gun do the rest.

 

This could be true before you nerfed its reverse speed to garbage level, but thats WG for you... 4005 gets introduced, garbage, 1 day overbuff, some other day overnerf, balance its so hard... all those numbers... all that gameplay... must collect more data... good luck being frontline with 4005, everyone will love you, especially arty, same with FV215b 183, its armor wont work, because premium ammo spam... such balance, collect 10 more years of data please.

 

Here, use your strong frontal or overall armour to play closer to a heavy tank. Get more Role XP with dealing damage in your view range after your own spots, or by blocking shots

Example: with a tough turret armour and a good frontal hull one, the Object 140 can bounce shells while its gun fires back with dangerous accuracy.

 

Oh, the poor mans 907, good frontal hull... nope, it does not bounce gold shells, or even regular shells, maybe the tank you intended to mention was 430U? I totally understand, its a difficult job, so many different tanks, so much information, and since you dont play your own game... its perfectly normal to be confused.

 

A role for all classic light tanks that will be rewarded with more Role XP for first spotting enemies, dealing damage to those (in your view range & upon own spotting) and assisting damage while remaining unspotted

Example: remain undetected with the T-100 LT and its amazing camouflage abilities - support thoughtfully and you'll be fine!

 

That is obviously the job of the T-100 LT ONLY, small, nimble, excellent profile, good enough armor to maybe bounce a few shots, best gun handling only second to EBR, so much more versatile than any of the other LTs, the rest of the LTs only exist to make the T-100LT look good, its russian after all, look at Manticore, only introduced to the game to remind you that while you not driving an EBR, at least you not driving a Manticore... good luck passive spotting... until and EBR comes unchallenged close enough to proxy spot you...

 

There's only one role for the SPGs out there, but you better play it right. Assist allied damage by stunning, deal damage to enemy SPGs and stun two or more enemies to win more Role XP! 

Example: with the largest splash damage in the game and amazing stun capabilities, the T92 HMC can deal with enemies fighting in packs like no other SPG.

 

Like no other SPG... is CGC not an SPG? T92 its total garbage, shell arc as bad as a 261, horrible acc, worst reload time, there is not 1 reason to play a T92 over a CGC, CGC will be useful in every map, will be able to shoot targets in almost every map reliably, CGC its faster than T92... in rankeds you will be shooting packs fighting in ridges most of the time, CGC will hit them easily, T92 will either overshoot or total opposite, meaning it will totally miss most of its shots, seriously WG, why cant you play your own game?

 

 

 


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View PostFalathi, on 07 November 2019 - 03:03 PM, said:

 

 

Guys, I can see your point, but here`s the thing: 

these tanks have always been intended as reward tanks, as machines that are supposed to be nice and playable. I understand the concern that they may be too strong, but let`s not forget that they are played in most cases by very good players and this definitely affects their performance. If they were UP, people wouldn`t want them - and that`s not what we desire. 


Next thing: excluding them from Ranked Battles would look like we`re punishing players for having them by preventing them from any chance to use them. I don`t think that would be fair. Also, I assume - just assume, frankly - that if we removed them from Ranked Battles we`d see another few vehicles considered as top of the meta and dominating. What then? Would it be a solution to have them removed as well? 

I don`t think that removal of vehicles is an actual solution. 

 


first paragraph is true, noone would want them if not OP

second paragraph : make this mode reward tank exclusive

last line: true also not a solution so put your devs to build the mode from scratch so it will be exactly what it is named "RANKED"



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View PostFalathi, on 07 November 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

 

Guys, I can see your point, but here`s the thing: 

these tanks have always been intended as reward tanks, as machines that are supposed to be nice and playable. I understand the concern that they may be too strong, but let`s not forget that they are played in most cases by very good players and this definitely affects their performance. If they were UP, people wouldn`t want them - and that`s not what we desire. 


Next thing: excluding them from Ranked Battles would look like we`re punishing players for having them by preventing them from any chance to use them. I don`t think that would be fair. Also, I assume - just assume, frankly - that if we removed them from Ranked Battles we`d see another few vehicles considered as top of the meta and dominating. What then? Would it be a solution to have them removed as well? 

I don`t think that removal of vehicles is an actual solution. 

 

 

Its sad when WG accepts that the state of the game its unbalance, where vehicles are either under powered or overpowered, its sad you have accepted you are unable to do a good job, and give the playerbase a fair and balanced game thoroughly enjoyable game.



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View PostCaoryn, on 07 November 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

As a Super Conqueror player, my role in the battle clearly is to get sh*t on by the Pseudochieftains and 279(e)s.

 

I play my role well.

With cupolla weakspott is S Conq is more worse that Chieftain T95, also more slow.



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View PostElefantas, on 07 November 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

change it to "Reward tank battles"

 

great summary of this competitive mode ....



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View PostAngryObnoxiousOtter, on 07 November 2019 - 05:08 PM, said:

Just cancel ranked battles if this is the best you can do, its embarrassing 
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279e - No weakspots anywhere"

 

Sorry what???

It had a little one in upper plate but was buffed in short time.

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View PostFalathi, on 07 November 2019 - 05:03 PM, said:

 

 

Guys, I can see your point, but here`s the thing: 

these tanks have always been intended as reward tanks, as machines that are supposed to be nice and playable. I understand the concern that they may be too strong, but let`s not forget that they are played in most cases by very good players and this definitely affects their performance. If they were UP, people wouldn`t want them - and that`s not what we desire. 


Next thing: excluding them from Ranked Battles would look like we`re punishing players for having them by preventing them from any chance to use them. I don`t think that would be fair. Also, I assume - just assume, frankly - that if we removed them from Ranked Battles we`d see another few vehicles considered as top of the meta and dominating. What then? Would it be a solution to have them removed as well? 

I don`t think that removal of vehicles is an actual solution. 

 

Can we the rest of the world have similar tanks in bond shop ?



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View PostWeak_man, on 07 November 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

It had a little one in upper plate but was buffed in short time.

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Can we the rest of the world have similar tanks in bond shop ?


buffed or not if you dont hit this "weak spot" from the side then you are doomed



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View PostSlyMeerkat, on 07 November 2019 - 01:24 PM, said:

I gave up on Ranked, i was going to try and get Bronze but the pure focus and concentration needed was killing it for me not to mention the pressure which tool all fun out the window however, at least i gave it another go..... Better luck next time?

Chieftain not op enough? :trollface:


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i will "abuse" this thread with some general questions

why you gave at the first place alpha damage of a tank destroyer to heavy tanks 60TP, E100 for example

why you gave to tank destroyers super heavy tank frontal armor 268-4, T110-3

why you allow a tank to be loaded only with gold ammo

why you dont balance the game first and then open, reopen or make new battle modes

 

edit: why on earth you name the 430U "medium" tank


Edited by Elefantas, 07 November 2019 - 04:59 PM.


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Next time dont allow reward tanks in ranked .. but afther so many ranked season you still diden't learn..




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