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LincolnTank #1 Posted 09 November 2019 - 01:22 PM

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I've been in so many battles now where tanks are matched with Tiers that they are far too powerful for. The most recent being a Skorpion G which ended up in a MM with Tier VII tanks and was rinsing them left, right and centre. I was wondering which tanks other forumites would move in terms of tier, and into which tier they would put them to balance out their powerful attributes :)

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View PostLincolnTank, on 09 November 2019 - 03:22 PM, said:

I've been in so many battles now where tanks are matched with Tiers that they are far too powerful for. The most recent being a Skorpion G which ended up in a MM with Tier VII tanks and was rinsing them left, right and centre. I was wondering which tanks other forumites would move in terms of tier, and into which tier they would put them to balance out their powerful attributes :)

 

Personally, I'll put scorp in T9, grille line, seriously, it's just the same as grille, good damage and speed. Also good camo.



Wintermute_1 #3 Posted 09 November 2019 - 01:50 PM

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I'd leave them all where they are and go +1/-1 MM, slashing all the ridiculous in-game situations in 1 fell swoop. Compensate the pref MM tanks with buffs and / or single tiered MM.

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View PostWintermute_1, on 09 November 2019 - 12:50 PM, said:

I'd leave them all where they are and go +1/-1 MM, slashing all the ridiculous in-game situations in 1 fell swoop. Compensate the pref MM tanks with buffs and / or single tiered MM.

 

You see this suggestion a lot, and linked to having to tweak pref MM tanks.

 

What do you think would happen to the following?

 

Defender/252, Progetto, EBR 75, LT 432, T 44-100, Skoda T27, IS 3A, Skorpion G, SU 130 PM, VK 100.01, Lorraine 40t, TS-5?

 

What would be the impact of these tanks in a +1MM?

 

This is before we even mention the 13 57 at tier 7 who now gets +1 MM.



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View Postsplash_time, on 09 November 2019 - 01:31 PM, said:

 

Personally, I'll put scorp in T9, grille line, seriously, it's just the same as grille, good damage and speed. Also good camo.

 

Skorpion G and the good camo...  :D

 


Edited by Scanmen, 09 November 2019 - 02:08 PM.


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View Postsplash_time, on 09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

Personally, I'll put scorp in T9, grille line, seriously, it's just the same as grille, good damage and speed. Also good camo.

 

It has utterly attrocious camo for a TD. The panther full doesn't it any favours at all.



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View PostScanmen, on 09 November 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

 

Skorpion G and the good camo...  :D

 

 

Absolutely, a good player will always find a way to use the camo advantage. :)



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View Postsplash_time, on 09 November 2019 - 01:46 PM, said:

 

Absolutely, a good player will always find a way to use the camo advantage. :)

 

They will, just a shame the Skorp G doesn't have any camo :D



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View PostRamRaid90, on 09 November 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

They will, just a shame the Skorp G doesn't have any camo :D

:D:D



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 09 November 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

This is before we even mention the 13 57 at tier 7 who now gets +1 MM.

 

13 57 and LeFH is a perfect example of what happens when the MM they are balanced for goes away and they are top tier all the time more or less, as they were balanced for facing +3 targets more so then -1. And considering how many tier 8 premiums there are that won't get rebalanced for it unlike others. It won't fix... anything. It can have the same impact on tier 8 as a gold damage reduction might have. As in shifting the power the wrong way. As in Defender vs any sup 200 pen tier 8 HT's that now has 1400 DPM to fight it. Even more so if you add +1 MM for the Defender on top of it.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 09 November 2019 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

They will, just a shame the Skorp G doesn't have any camo :D

How I feel in the Skorp G....

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View Postsplash_time, on 09 November 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

 

Absolutely, a good player will always find a way to use the camo advantage. :)

ferdi and jgtig88 has better camo than skorp g, and ferdi/jgtig88 arent really known for its camo

 

 

sure a good player can make it work a bit but you are way better off abusing camo mechanics with rhm wt, which has a massive camo value making you able to get real close to the enemy


Edited by barison1, 09 November 2019 - 03:48 PM.


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View PostWintermute_1, on 09 November 2019 - 01:50 PM, said:

I'd leave them all where they are and go +1/-1 MM, slashing all the ridiculous in-game situations in 1 fell swoop. Compensate the pref MM tanks with buffs and / or single tiered MM.


This.

Also, if we have tanks that are seriously underpowered (e.g. IS-4, T-34-2) then work specifically on those to make them more competitive.



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View PostLincolnTank, on 09 November 2019 - 01:22 PM, said:

I was wondering which tanks other forumites would move in terms of tier, and into which tier they would put them to balance out their powerful attributes :)

 

i want a fresh feel of nostalgia so first one will be a not super serious one. KV-122 back for tier 6. and rename it KV-1S again. ;)

 

for real this time.

Panther 8.8 for tier 7.

Black Prince to tier 6 or a preff MM for it. (i noticed that there is a Premium tier 6 BP in Tanks.GG)

 

those would be what i would pick personally.



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 09 November 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

 

You see this suggestion a lot, and linked to having to tweak pref MM tanks.

 

What do you think would happen to the following?

 

Defender/252, Progetto, EBR 75, LT 432, T 44-100, Skoda T27, IS 3A, Skorpion G, SU 130 PM, VK 100.01, Lorraine 40t, TS-5?

 

What would be the impact of these tanks in a +1MM?

 

This is before we even mention the 13 57 at tier 7 who now gets +1 MM.

 

Since when??

 

edit: didnt realise u meant hypothetical :P

 

 


Edited by _6i6_, 09 November 2019 - 04:50 PM.


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View Post_6i6_, on 09 November 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

Since when??

 

edit: didnt realise u meant hypothetical :P

 

Did the thought of the 13 57 being +1MM generate a bit of a "feeling"......;)



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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 09 November 2019 - 05:56 PM, said:

 

Did the thought of the 13 57 being +1MM generate a bit of a "feeling"......;)

exactly that!!



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View PostThe_Naa, on 09 November 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

for real this time.

Panther 8.8 for tier 7.

Black Prince to tier 6 or a preff MM for it. (i noticed that there is a Premium tier 6 BP in Tanks.GG)

 

The issue with premiums like the 8.8 is that people paid for a tier 8, not a 7. So not everyone would like that, tho I suspect some would not mind it. Tho an L100 88 might fix it.

 

And several HT's would be better one tier down with little changes. Churchill VII would even be one IMO.

 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 09 November 2019 - 05:14 PM, said:

 

The issue with premiums like the 8.8 is that people paid for a tier 8, not a 7. So not everyone would like that, tho I suspect some would not mind it. Tho an L100 88 might fix it.

 

money always gets in to the way of things :sceptic:

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 09 November 2019 - 05:14 PM, said:

 

And several HT's would be better one tier down with little changes. Churchill VII would even be one IMO.

 

this is true.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 09 November 2019 - 05:14 PM, said:

 

The issue with premiums like the 8.8 is that people paid for a tier 8, not a 7. So not everyone would like that, tho I suspect some would not mind it. Tho an L100 88 might fix it.

 

And several HT's would be better one tier down with little changes. Churchill VII would even be one IMO.

 

and perhaps actual good handling/dpm on that 88 then, not like the sad joke panther2 is

 

church7 doesnt need downtiering that much if getting things like the actual 17pdr and armor improvements (track weakspot gone etc). bp could do with a 20pdr and decent dpm and armor improvements (again trackweakspot removal)






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