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m1x_angelico #1 Posted 12 November 2019 - 08:51 PM

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It may have been asked before, but is in your opinion obj 430u better for random games and more aggressive play style than obj 140?

 

Besides yes or no answer, an explanation of the yes/no would be nice as well :)



Lanrefni #2 Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:11 PM

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it is indeed forgiving, but lacks the higher flexibility of the Obj.140,907,T-62A and K-91.

it's a bad tank for both the game and the players, that should not exist, and thanks to russian crybabies it wasn't nerfed.



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For brawling yes. Bcs it's quite armored.

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Those two are very different tanks. Obj 140 is like a standard medium, good accuracy, good gun handling, high dpm, armor only on turret. On the other hand Obj 430U is more like a heavy/medium hybrid similar to WZ-111 5A, Obj 277 but with a medium tank sticker instead of heavy one, which means that its speed and gun handling/accuracy are worse than your average medium, but armor is massively better both on turret and hull. 



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The gun sucks

140 far more user friendly and better dpm



XxKuzkina_MatxX #6 Posted 12 November 2019 - 10:31 PM

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Sure it's better for a more aggressive play style. It's way too armored for a medium, the gun doesn't work at longer ranges and the DPM is low enough to be crippled by sniping. Tier 10 heavies with low(ish) penetration can't do much against a hull down 430U.

 

The 140 can snipe better at the start of the battle and it won't hurt as much missing a few shots. You got ~3.5k DPM with the rammer and BIA alone. While tanks like the 430U take control in their own hand and decide what will happen in a certain flank.

 

Funny thing is the 430U got better camo than the BC so it can also scout in force. :)



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Answer : yes. 

 

based on: refer those earlier answers. 

 



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Object 140 is more satisfying when you do well in it, because its relatively difficult to use but has a balance of good attributes. The high DPM and low alpha makes gameplay fairly frantic at times.

 

I've only recently got the Object 430U and it's just a brute, close in on stuff, angle a bit and shoot them in the face. Has way more armour than any Medium has a right to, atleast the hull of the Object 430 was relatively weak in comparison...



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 12 November 2019 - 11:31 PM, said:

jajaja

the only thing that snipes is the K-91.



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Guess depends on how you use it. Brawling the 140 cam get cooked by the 430U in no time. Using cammo and DPM 140 should be better. 140 also has a nice 1500m/s APCR round to kill EBRs!



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I just had a game where 430U was working the heavy ridge line on MINSK. None of us could pen him on his side or his turret. Took us 7 whole minutes to wither him down with HE. 7v1 and he held for 7 minutes. There is your answer

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View PostVenom7000, on 12 November 2019 - 11:21 PM, said:

I just had a game where 430U was working the heavy ridge line on MINSK. None of us could pen him on his side or his turret. Took us 7 whole minutes to wither him down with HE. 7v1 and he held for 7 minutes. There is your answer

 

Do you think that's the 430U being too strong or a case of 7 vs 1 and the 7 need to seriously git gud?

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 12 November 2019 - 09:31 PM, said:

Tier 10 heavies with low(ish) penetration can't do much against a hull down 430U.

 

 

Nor can anyone do much against a hull down IS7, Chieftains, SuperC, Object everything, Kranvagn, 279E, yada yada... welcome to world of turrets. I'm not saying one justifies the other, far from it, but it's not like it's all that rare either to be shocked and outraged by it these days and no doubt even more on the way... yay!

 

Anyway, get neither med and instead get that OP clan tank with the curvy front armor that bounces everything like a mini-obj 279E on fast forward mode, what's it called the 907A? Ya get a 907A, coming to a bond shop near you!! :trollface:



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View PostTungstenHitman, on 13 November 2019 - 01:00 AM, said:

 

Do you think that's the 430U being too strong or a case of 7 vs 1 and the 7 need to seriously git gud?

 

More to do with the fact that you cant do much to a hull down tank of this calibre, that is: moving quickly, in arty free game, in -2mm and you are in Ferdinand.

 

P.S - If you think that rushing a tank that is obviously baiting you to step out of the cover so parked TDS can make mincemeat out of you. Is a good idea... yeah believe me its not. :teethhappy:


Edited by Venom7000, 13 November 2019 - 01:14 AM.


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View PostTungstenHitman, on 13 November 2019 - 04:00 AM, said:

Nor can anyone do much against a hull down IS7, Chieftains, SuperC, Object everything, Kranvagn, 279E, yada yada... welcome to world of turrets. I'm not saying one justifies the other, far from it, but it's not like it's all that rare either to be shocked and outraged by it these days and no doubt even more on the way... yay!

 

Anyway, get neither med and instead get that OP clan tank with the curvy front armor that bounces everything like a mini-obj 279E on fast forward mode, what's it called the 907A? Ya get a 907A, coming to a bond shop near you!!

 

I am neither shocked nor outraged. Just describing what the tank can do in a common engagement. 330/340 HEAT can go through the 430U turret cheeks like the T-54 or the 140. So a heavy with low(ish) penetration can't do much to a hull down or a sidescraping 430U. Which makes the tank perfect for short range brawls against heavies.

 

As far as i know, tanks in the bonds shop will not be updated any time soon but i don't know what is that got to do with the topic of this thread. Pretty elaborate post to say a bad joke? Okay, ha ha. You got me!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 13 November 2019 - 02:09 AM.


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View PostLaukaus, on 13 November 2019 - 01:12 AM, said:

*edited*  

 I just checked the WoT home page there’s a premium shop and charges money..

so no! This game is not open source, run by a series of councils like Linux OS for the mutal benefit of its members. Ie non profit!

 



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View PostLaukaus, on 13 November 2019 - 02:12 AM, said:

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Yes, it sure is strange that they might favour the demographic that makes up 80% of their target audience. I'm sure no western developer would ever stoop so low as to play to their home audience painting their side as the best, cos Murrica! [edited], yeah! 



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View Postm1x_angelico, on 12 November 2019 - 09:51 PM, said:

It may have been asked before, but is in your opinion obj 430u better for random games and more aggressive play style than obj 140?

 

Besides yes or no answer, an explanation of the yes/no would be nice as well :)


Yes, oh YES !

 

140 is a good tank but it is still a medium with a strong turret in the end.

430U is basically a heavy tank turret, heavy tank upper plate, medium tank mobility, close to light tank camo, heavy tank alpha and dpm on the lvl of a t9.5 heavy tank. The 430U can double as a heavy, move like a med/light (combo of camo and overall mobility) and is overall harder to deal with, takes more energy, more shots, etc ... it's basically a heavy in all but the name while preserving med tank class bonuses with some light tank sprinkled in.

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 13 November 2019 - 03:54 AM, said:

 

Yes, it sure is strange that they might favour the demographic that makes up 80% of their target audience. I'm sure no western developer would ever stoop so low as to play to their home audience painting their side as the best, cos Murrica! [edited], yeah! 


Good argument for the american forum, not this one.



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View PostLaukaus, on 13 November 2019 - 03:12 AM, said:

*edited*  

if you put an uneducated child to surf the internet, you get s**tposts such as this.



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View PostVenom7000, on 13 November 2019 - 01:13 AM, said:

 

More to do with the fact that you cant do much to a hull down tank of this calibre, that is: moving quickly, in arty free game, in -2mm and you are in Ferdinand.

 

 

Well, last time I checked, Ferdinand had a nice 630 alpha HE round that, if well aimed, can splash the 430U hull roof for ~300HP. 

If all the 7 tanks switched to HE, I doubt the 430U could have survived for 7 minutes...

So I tend to agree with TungstenHitman about being a fail from the 7 tank side more than 430U be so OP to solo against 7 good played tanks.


Edited by Dava_117, 13 November 2019 - 09:54 AM.





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