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Semih_Dellal #1 Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:29 AM

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Hi everyone...

 

as title suggests, which autoloader is better ? are there any player that played two of them at a significant amount of matches to give some good advices...? I wanna grind one of them....every tip could be useful....

 

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splash_time #2 Posted 13 November 2019 - 04:24 AM

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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 13 November 2019 - 02:29 AM, said:

Hi everyone...

 

as title suggests, which autoloader is better ? are there any player that played two of them at a significant amount of matches to give some good advices...? I wanna grind one of them....every tip could be useful....

 

thanks...

 

Hi,

AMX 50 B has the speed and accuracy to fire and relocate from far, it works more like a medium B C 25t, but with a bigger algha of 400 damage, penetration is 257/325 for AP/APCR and more HP (but it has 4 shells in magazine instead of 5), and reload is 27 seconds.

 

T 57 heavy has one of the best and maybe the best DPM among T10s, and it has high penetration of 258/340 for both AP/HEAT, and reload is 22 seconds. Also it has mediocre speed, armour is trollish but it doesn't mean that it's good for frontlines. :)

 

Autoloaders are really hard to play, especially for a new players, you can try Kranvagn, I have it, it has -12 gun depression and 3100 DPM, 440 damage, penetration of 252/300 for APCR/HEAT and 21sec reload, plus turret armour. ;)

 

It depends on your opinion after all, your style.

Gl mate!



tumppi776 #3 Posted 13 November 2019 - 06:51 AM

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50B survivability is abysmal. And full clip reload is too long.

 

T57 Heavy is brutal and gets some bounces every game, but the armor is rather mediocre.

 

So: T57 Heavy - if those are your only choices. But almost always I'd rather take out a TX medium instead.

 

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T57 Heavy worked in Ranked though - as lack of armor isnt much of an issue


Edited by tumppi776, 13 November 2019 - 06:54 AM.


Negativvv #4 Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:38 AM

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Why not both? That's what I did...

 

Be warned both grinds are quite painful, T57 has the awful T69 at T8 to live with and the 50b has the 50 120 at T9 which is meh and arguably the 50 100 is kinda horrible too.

 

50b is a harder tank to use but has great mobility. People tell me T57 with HEAT is a pretty effective brawler....



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Both tanks are fun, but personally I like AMX 50b more, because it has more reliable gun. Also Kranvagn is really great for pubs.

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If you like to spam premium shells, go for amx, otherwise go for t57. I rather play batchat over the amx.

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 13 November 2019 - 08:29 AM, said:

If you like to spam premium shells, go for amx, otherwise go for t57. I rather play batchat over the amx.

I learnt my lesson with the 50 120. A miss or bounce can cost you everything so I ended up going full gold. No different for the 50b...

 

Also if you play the French autoloaders the way they're intended you'll get a lot of abuse from people who expect you to front line brawl.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 13 November 2019 - 08:29 AM, said:

If you like to spam premium shells, go for amx, otherwise go for t57. I rather play batchat over the amx.

 

What's the problem about 50b to require all this gold spam? Penetration looks good on the AP round...



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View PostDava_117, on 13 November 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

 

What's the problem about 50b to require all this gold spam? Penetration looks good on the AP round...

Mobility of 50B is nothing special nowadays, and hull-down tanks can ignore or just farm a 50b easily. It cannot strike and retreat anymore, so it needs apcr to deal with enemies (imo). T57 is much slower, but at short range it can clip enemies better. 

 

Ofcourse plenty of times that AP 50b does work, that's how I often play it, but often it just gets trumped by new or buffed tanks. 'Heaviums' just killed it imo.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 13 November 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

Mobility of 50B is nothing special nowadays, and hull-down tanks can ignore or just farm a 50b easily. It cannot strike and retreat anymore, so it needs apcr to deal with enemies (imo). T57 is much slower, but at short range it can clip enemies better. 

 

Ofcourse plenty of times that AP 50b does work, that's how I often play it, but often it just gets trumped by new or buffed tanks. 'Heaviums' just killed it imo.

IMO traditional Autoloaders are power creeped by Autoreloaders as the newer tanks aren't hampered with a long reload and extended peak battles suit the Autoreloader too as there's no huge gap whilst you reload your magazine. It's why I'll go gold for Autoloaders as you need to guarantee the best chance of doing damage everytime.



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Maybe my reaction to both when I encounter them might be a helpful guide.

 

When a 50B comes around a street corner "You're just gonna get me angry mate!"

 

When a T57 comes around a street corner "Oh dear God no!! not like this! no!! waaaaaaaaaaaaa!"



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Against T10, at least for me, they are very similar, though the 50B is much-much easier to penetrate, and while it has better accuracy, you cannot really use an autoloader in the distance effectively unless you catch someone in the open. But the T57 will bully to death any T9 or T8 while the 50B has to be a bit carfeul with them.

 

So I say T57 all the way.


Edited by Marten85, 13 November 2019 - 11:12 AM.


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View PostTungstenHitman, on 13 November 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

When a T57 comes around a street corner "Oh dear God no!! not like this! no!! waaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

 

And then T57 bounces all his shots, because you are playing a Russian medium tank LUL.

 

Then again, I have bounce entire T57 clip with M48 also from almost point blank range.



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 13 November 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

 

And then T57 bounces all his shots, because you are playing a Russian medium tank LUL.

 

Then again, I have bounce entire T57 clip with M48 also from almost point blank range.

Or a T57 auto-aiming point blank (5mtr) at my 50b and bounced all his shots ;)



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM, said:

 

And then T57 bounces all his shots, because you are playing a Russian medium tank LUL.

 

Then again, I have bounce entire T57 clip with M48 also from almost point blank range.

 

View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 13 November 2019 - 10:36 AM, said:

Or a T57 auto-aiming point blank (5mtr) at my 50b and bounced all his shots ;)

 

Oh absolutely and don't misunderstand I don't wanna be sitting in front of either of these fully loaded brutes!! Reason I cry if I get focused by a T57 is... it both empties it's clip and reloads again so terrifyingly fast  sap is getting wrecked by comparison. It's not like the AMX can't melt a tank for the same damage with its clip of course it can but it takes a little longer to empty that clip and that doubles up with a longer reload closer to half a minute plus I find it's more reliably hurt than a T57. 

 

T57 has emptied it's entire 1600 potential clip before most tanks can reload and by the time that poor victim has reloaded his second shot, assuming he didn't get ammo racked, busted engine and a few dead crew during that hailstorm he just took, the T57 is about 20 seconds away from what's most likely going to be the kill... even if the T57 bounces a shot with each mag... frightening amount of firepower I have to wander why 3 good players don't toon with 3 T57 tanks, who the hell can stop a well coordinated trio sitting pretty with 4800 potential dmg in 6 seconds? "Focus this guy" he's dead "Ok now focus this guy" he's also dead... it sound like a lot of fun I'll be honest and I'll probably grind that tank soon. 



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Neither are great in the current meta, but the T57 can be absolutely brutal in the right circumstances and bounce the odd shot, so I'd say currently its the more effective one. 

 

If you want a mobile auto-loader, play the Progetto or the TVP, both are more mobile and more reliable than the 50b (and the Bat Chat for that matter), they get medium tank camo not heavy camo like the 50b and aren't the size of a house like the 50b. 

 

Thing with the T57 is it's slow, is completely unreliable at longer ranges, takes ages to aim so you can only really use the clip speed at closer ranges. But if you are close range and someone has just fired or is not paying attention you do 1600 damage in 6s and most people are scared to rush you because you can do it again in 22s, which is only like 6-7s longer reload than like an E100 has, which means by the time people cross the distance to start shooting at you, you are probably only like 10s away from having your clip back.

 

Plus even though the armour is far from reliable, people tend to panic and rush shots when a T57 is trying to clip them and then bounce some shots. 



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I would say that T57 and Kranvagn are better picks for heavy autoloaders. T57 as a second line support heavy, you can really wreck enemies if you catch then on reload. Kranvagn is really good as a ridge line warrior with its impenetrable turret and awesome gun depression, that's of course assuming that arty doesn't delete you from the game. 50B is huge and made of paper which is a really terrible combo in current meta. If you want to play a paper autoloader you're better off with batchat, TVP or Progetto as those tanks are smaller, faster and have better camo. 

 

As for the grind itself, I'd say that 50B grind is considerably easier, AMX M4 at T7 is the worst one in the line, AMX 50 100 and 50 120 while not being the best tanks of their tier can get the job done and the stock grind is not terrible.

It's a different story with T57 line, you get some really nice tanks on T5, 6, 7, but T69 and T54E1 can be a pain. Stock grind on both T69 and T54E1 is horrible, and even when fully upgraded those tanks are not particularly good. I mean with T69 you need to play with T7 light gun with 175 pen 150 dmg and the top gun has bad penetration paired with mediocre accuracy and gun handling. Next you get the pleasure of using that same kind of terrible gun from T8 on T54E1 on T9. So yea, bottom line is prepare to shoot only premium ammo on T8 and T9 if you want to get anything done. 

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention, crew can also be a bit of a pain for T57 because you'll be going from a light to medium to heavy tank, with french line you'll be playing only heavies from T5. 


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Am I the only one who enjoyed the T54E1?! Sure it needs gold to perform but it has the same clip potential as the T57. Only the T69 was truly bad in the grind, even with HEAT it was utterly pitiful and I played before the Progetto existed. Can only assume it's worse now.

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View PostSemih_Dellal, on 12 November 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

T-57

 



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On your battle count i would go with the T57

Amx 50B is more a tank for verry experienced players that know there spots know when to retreat and to attack because everything on the field wil pen you.

I personally would go for the italian line although its a different loader mechanism its almost the same thing.(even better)

 

 

 


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