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Poll: Spall Liner @ Tier III ? (16 members have cast votes)

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Is it Really Worth it?

  1. Yep. (5 votes [31.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.25%

  2. Nope - there are better options - discuss. (11 votes [68.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.75%

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Erwin_Von_Braun #1 Posted 16 November 2019 - 06:43 PM

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Equipment seems so limited at what is clearly the funniest of tiers.

Most games are essentially a banger race so thought I would experiment a bit.

Pz III E with Spall Liner, Optics & Vents + a  driver with 100% Controlled Impact (all crew have four complete skills).

Turns out it's quite an effective little rammer.


 

Anyways, I digress - is a spall liner really worth it at tier iii?



WindSplitter1 #2 Posted 16 November 2019 - 08:41 PM

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SHTs, Assault Guns or tanks with heavy armour (Bobject, T95, 430U, etc)

 

For the rest, it's pretty pointless.



Dava_117 #3 Posted 16 November 2019 - 08:51 PM

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On the AMX38, sure. On any other tank with 20mm armour? Not really...

24doom24 #4 Posted 16 November 2019 - 08:54 PM

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Not gonna help you against a Sexton 1 arta firing AP :trollface:

Erwin_Von_Braun #5 Posted 16 November 2019 - 08:56 PM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 16 November 2019 - 07:41 PM, said:

SHTs, Assault Guns or tanks with heavy armour (Bobject, T95, 430U, etc)

 

For the rest, it's pretty pointless.

View PostDava_117, on 16 November 2019 - 07:51 PM, said:

On the AMX38, sure. On any other tank with 20mm armour? Not really...

But it's big, fast & heavy for it's tier - perfect combo for ramming.:izmena:


 



Dava_117 #6 Posted 16 November 2019 - 09:08 PM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 16 November 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

But it's big, fast & heavy for it's tier - perfect combo for ramming.:izmena:


 

 

For ramming you still have just a 6HP reduction (30mm*0.20) and just if the impact is frontal. If you get the sides it can became even lower...



Orkbert #7 Posted 16 November 2019 - 09:09 PM

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Well, the III E has 30mm front armor and decent speed and weight, so ramming is a somewhat valid choice if perhaps a bit desperate. Although in my opinion the biggest advantage of a spall liner at low tiers is not the damage reduction but the reduced risk of injured crewmen. Combined with a large med kit (that also reduces the risk of injury) your tank crew will be much sturdier than without that combo (and at tier III not having a fire extinguisher is not that much of a risk: you don't have that much HP to begin with, if you get enough damage to suffer a fire your tank is practically dead anyways)

 

Or, to make some use of a small motivational poster I created a few years ago:

 

 

(admittedly this was my VK16.01 and not a tierIII tank but surviving a head-on-head collision with a Cromwell wasn't too shabby)

 

 

 



Blubba #8 Posted 17 November 2019 - 01:01 AM

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Tier 3, apart from arty, is the hunting ground of the Pz1c and they kill crews. If I have a space and a spall liner lying around, I'll throw it on. It won't hurt at least.



Balc0ra #9 Posted 17 November 2019 - 01:13 AM

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The only thing I would use it for on tier III, is if you constantly lose crew to arty or the many derps at that tier. As splash is not that huge on that tier to make a difference to soak up that. Nor for ramming, as in just take the crew skill vs wasting a slot and weight on that.

Bulldog_Drummond #10 Posted 17 November 2019 - 01:37 AM

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It's handy on the Pz IIJ

Erwin_Von_Braun #11 Posted 17 November 2019 - 11:55 AM

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View PostDava_117, on 16 November 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

 

For ramming you still have just a 6HP reduction (30mm*0.20) and just if the impact is frontal. If you get the sides it can became even lower...

Ahh, I never really considered actual numbers (never have done).

It's purely a 'fun' thing :izmena:

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View PostOrkbert, on 16 November 2019 - 08:09 PM, said:

Well, the III E has 30mm front armor and decent speed and weight, so ramming is a somewhat valid choice if perhaps a bit desperate. Although in my opinion the biggest advantage of a spall liner at low tiers is not the damage reduction but the reduced risk of injured crewmen. Combined with a large med kit (that also reduces the risk of injury) your tank crew will be much sturdier than without that combo (and at tier III not having a fire extinguisher is not that much of a risk: you don't have that much HP to begin with, if you get enough damage to suffer a fire your tank is practically dead anyways)

 

Or, to make some use of a small motivational poster I created a few years ago:

 

 

(admittedly this was my VK16.01 and not a tierIII tank but surviving a head-on-head collision with a Cromwell wasn't too shabby)

 

 

 

M'lord, the defence rests.


 

I used to do much the same thing in my VK16.02 and it worked wonders - back in the good old days of +3mm.

Only swapped it out when they made VSTAB available during the great LT 'rebalance'.

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 17 November 2019 - 12:37 AM, said:

It's handy on the Pz IIJ

I've always resisted buying one - somehow I just can't bring myself to pay such an obscene amount of my hard earned for an over priced bundle.


 

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View PostBlubba, on 17 November 2019 - 12:01 AM, said:

Tier 3, apart from arty, is the hunting ground of the Pz1c and they kill crews. If I have a space and a spall liner lying around, I'll throw it on. It won't hurt at least.

That was kinda my reasoning - kit options at that level are fairly limited.



Erwin_Von_Braun #12 Posted 17 November 2019 - 12:18 PM

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I see there are lots of 'Nopes'.

Was wondering what all the 'nopes' would suggest as an alternative?



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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 17 November 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

I see there are lots of 'Nopes'.

Was wondering what all the 'nopes' would suggest as an alternative?


Vent Optics & Bino or Vent GLD Optic/Bino

 

Your spall liner & controlled impact will work for ramming on maps where there is more chance of this say Himelsdorf & Abbey but on mines where its a bit more snipey it will be a wasted slot mostly - + you need some mobility for ramming and most of the higher armoured low tier tnks arent that mobile - I would think the French S35 / German counter part might benefit?

 

 



Erwin_Von_Braun #14 Posted 17 November 2019 - 03:19 PM

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View PostGruff_, on 17 November 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:


Vent Optics & Bino or Vent GLD Optic/Bino

 

Your spall liner & controlled impact will work for ramming on maps where there is more chance of this say Himelsdorf & Abbey but on mines where its a bit more snipey it will be a wasted slot mostly - + you need some mobility for ramming and most of the higher armoured low tier tnks arent that mobile - I would think the French S35 / German counter part might benefit?

 

 

Currently running Vents/Optics/Binos on Pz1c - trouble is, at tier iii I'm rarely still long enough to make use of binos :trollface:



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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 17 November 2019 - 02:19 PM, said:

Currently running Vents/Optics/Binos on Pz1c - trouble is, at tier iii I'm rarely still long enough to make use of binos :trollface:


I pm'd some pzc "enthusiasts" :playing: over equipment choices last month for a friends tank - most came back with vent optic and the toolbox for the odd occasion you get tracked and your kit is used, as you rightly point out its mostly not sitting still much to benefit from net or bino.



Orkbert #16 Posted 17 November 2019 - 06:29 PM

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View PostGruff_, on 17 November 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:


I pm'd some pzc "enthusiasts" :playing: over equipment choices last month for a friends tank - most came back with vent optic and the toolbox for the odd occasion you get tracked and your kit is used, as you rightly point out its mostly not sitting still much to benefit from net or bino.

 

Toolbox, an interesting choice, but I prefer on my Pz I C the combo vents/optics/enhanced suspension. Not for the enhanced load limit (the tracks have been researched and installed ages ago) but for the +20% suspension hitpoints.

The reasoning is similar to the toolbox (a measure against getting tracked) but the concept is different: with the toolbox you get the tracks repaired faster, with enhanced suspension HP it takes a bit longer to get tracked (and that extra time moving might get me into hard cover just in time)

 

Oh, and the damage reduction from falling also complements the correct playing style for the I C very nicely.



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View PostOrkbert, on 17 November 2019 - 05:29 PM, said:

 

Toolbox, an interesting choice, but I prefer on my Pz I C the combo vents/optics/enhanced suspension. Not for the enhanced load limit (the tracks have been researched and installed ages ago) but for the +20% suspension hitpoints.

The reasoning is similar to the toolbox (a measure against getting tracked) but the concept is different: with the toolbox you get the tracks repaired faster, with enhanced suspension HP it takes a bit longer to get tracked (and that extra time moving might get me into hard cover just in time)

 

Oh, and the damage reduction from falling also complements the correct playing style for the I C very nicely.

Hmm? An interesting choice - I'll give it a go.

Enhanced suspension would suit the Pz1c's madness perfectly.



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