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pihip #1 Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:23 PM

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Disregarding the old "E 50M is weak" meme, is E 50 still good enough to pick up and maybe keep? With the line being top of the tree, I would welcome the option of buying it at a discount (that, and I want something German that is good for a change in my garage).

Also, how does it compare to T-54? I understand they're fundamentally different tanks, but I'm considering the Soviet one as an alternative as I believe/hope both could be user-friendly picks for high tier medium tanks (less demanding than any of the paper meds or so I guess).

And yes I can imagine that the answer would be "neither, go for Object 430", but I'm specifically asking about E 50 and T-54 here, so please bear with me.

 

Oh, and one more thing. If I were to pick T-54 I would run it with the 219 pen high accuracy gun, not the DPM but useless without HEAT one. In part because it would be prohibitively expensive, but also because I'd rather earn my wins and not cheat to them (yes I've always been weird in regards to gold ammo, ever since it became available for credits).



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Well i've just recently bought both. E50 seems a capable medium to me. Haven't unlocked the top gun, but the 88mm from the Panther II has a much better reload on the E50, so enjoying blatting tanks. The turret bounces quite a few shots, but the hull is huge and not great. T54 also seems very capable, but warning that the grind without free XP will be painful. I've just unlocked the high pen gun, but yet to use it. T-54 seems to be a hull-down highly manouverable tank, whereas the E50 is more of a DPM slugger.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #3 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:37 AM

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It's a fantastic tier 9 medium. Its penetration and mobility can be seen to be average but overall it's a very capable medium.

 

The T-54 is a very light weight medium compared to the E50 or an oversized light tank with very good turret armor and a good gun. It requires more careful/calculated game play. I will take either of those over the 430 with its godawful gun. The E50 can take a lot of abuse if you don't make a stationary target out of your turret front. The gun is super accurate and the gun handling is also very good.

 

About buying stuff, keep in mind that Christmas discounts are coming soon. So you might want to consider buying two of the three.



Stevies_Team #4 Posted 19 November 2019 - 02:01 AM

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If you want a good gun, plus dpm, get the 140

snowlywhite #5 Posted 19 November 2019 - 02:29 AM

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it's the 1st german tank/line I got. Never played anything german before this month 'xcept some rental/promo lowe(which I truly hated).

 

1. it's not a medium. Or not the type of medium I'm used to play. You're biiig and with craaap camo(after all the skills). Very weird and I don't know how to play this atm.

 

2. gun is.... dunno, over awesome. It really goes where you want it to go. Best gun I've played so far in t9. And I don't run food on it atm. Pen is pretty meh(but pen is meh on t-54 too).

 

3. armor is... 430 style. Trollish. Would probably be better if I knew how to use it properly, but I'm not a heavy player. Usually playing paper stuff, so I'm not v good at it. it'll bounce; surprised how much. But not reliably. Anyway, distance is your friend. Much harder for them to hit where they want then for you to hit where you want.

 

But exactly as 430; screw up the angling a bit and you're open.

 

would I take it over t-54? Right now, nope, as I don't know how to play it. Later on, probably yes; seems better. And t-54 is a damn fine thing. Wouldn't take it over a std b though(as you mentioned paper things). But I simply love that game style.

 

p.s. - both have horrid stock grinds. Ok, I totally skipped panther 2 so I actually used at the start the tiger 2 stock(?) gun. Which was a saaaad story; couldn't pen same tier heavies with gold. Naturally - stock gun from a previous tier. Also, stock you have no armor; panther 2 turret... nope.


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Mobility of the E50 really annoys me. It can (still) be effective, but I expected more of this tank tbh. I would rather play t54, skoda, progetto, leo pta or cent 7.

undutchable80 #7 Posted 19 November 2019 - 08:14 AM

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Havent played the T54 yet, but the E50 is a sure keeper for me. I use the L100 8,8 gun. Sure the alpha is none too impressive for a T9, but 4,22 sec reload (with GR, BiA - no food) with pretty good accuracy it can either snipe or support the heavies. Positioning is important - either permatrack tanks and lock them in place for my team to farm, or if angled right, track & do dmg every 4,2secs is hilarious. Armour can be bouncy but nothing to rely on. 

N3rv0u5_M1c0 #8 Posted 19 November 2019 - 08:21 AM

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E50 is good tank, you can destroy tier 8 very easy, play tier 9 and snipe tier 10. I hate the mobility .

Negativvv #9 Posted 19 November 2019 - 08:58 AM

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I consider it the highlight of the line and have kept mine. Really don't fancy the E50M at TX with meh MM and gold spam meta.

 

Chosen the 10.5cm gun myself as higher alpha is preferable as you might not always have the time for a second shot.

 

Performs pretty well for me if used like the Panthers lower down in the tech tree just that you can brawl a bit too in the right circumstances.

 

It's armour is not so good, might get a few side scraping bounces but that'll be all. The 430 in comparison is like a full on HT, that bounces loads off the turret.



pihip #10 Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:20 AM

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Thank you everyone for dropping by to comment, seems that E 50 is rather well liked and I will probably pick up that one (be it WoT or WoWs, it's pretty difficult to find German stuff that's actually good).

But if anyone else has more to say on the matter, please do so. :)

TungstenHitman #11 Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:42 AM

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Italian tanks. 

pihip #12 Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:30 AM

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View PostNegativvv, on 19 November 2019 - 08:58 AM, said:

The 430 in comparison is like a full on HT, that bounces loads off the turret.


Yeah I thought about this one as well to be honest.

No grind (seriously wtf?), good at everything with a marginal loss of gun handling and mobility compared to same tier peers (which is a debatable weakness), leads to one of the best Tier 10s currently available.

... honestly, I'm kinda tempted now. Though I know that if I were to get it, I would most likely never play WZ-120 again. <.<



tajj7 #13 Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:41 AM

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As 'heavium' that (when top tier) can do a bit of everything (be a heavy, bully, brawl, be a med, spot etc.) I think its better than say a T-54 or T-10 for that role. 

 

Against tier 10s it's less effective but still will bounce the odd shot, has good DPM, gun handling and accuracy so can do most things you want.

 

Probably not quite as powerful as say a T-55A, Obj. 430 (but more reliable IMO than that tank) Skoda T50 etc. played to the max, but still very good and not hard to carry in.

 

Tier 9 is still IMO the MM sweetspot, yes you get tier 10 games but you are not that far behind, especially if you don't mind using the odd premium round, and when top tier most tier 9s are complete monsters facing majority tier 7s and 8s, especially ones with a bit of armour like the E50. 

 

Lots of good tier 9 tanks IMO and all very capable, barely a bad tank, and E50 is IMO amongst the good ones, easily IMO amongst the best 10 tanks on the tier and also IMO is one of the most comfortable/fun to play/reliable ones as well (whilst something like a 430 is strong, it's more awkward and RNG based IMO and therefore less fun to play). 

 

E50M is kind of in a similar position but just a little less powerful, its far from a bad tank more just average, so bear that in mind if the tier 10 is your ultimate goal, it doesn't lead to a 'meta' tier 10.   



pihip #14 Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:49 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 19 November 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:

E50M is kind of in a similar position but just a little less powerful, its far from a bad tank more just average, so bear that in mind if the tier 10 is your ultimate goal, it doesn't lead to a 'meta' tier 10.   


At the moment no, Tier 10 is not my endgame goal, though one day I'll have to get one to farm some more bonds, they are a pretty scarce commodity for me (I don't do Ranked).

And well, I've spent years playing this game, I suppose at least one endgame tank in the garage won't hurt. :child:



Bora_BOOM #15 Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:52 AM

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E50 is a great package but requires a higher skill level. It hardly forgives mistakes but is very rewarding in return if you know what you are doing.

Tier for tier it is better than E50M, which IMO wasn't the case in the past. E50M is overtaken by so many new t10-s that I almost used powercrept.

I re-kitted mine not long ago (that was my first line in the game when I started, which was a bad choice cause I absolutely sucked - 42,2% bot winrate) and played 11 games and won 8 with a blue WN8.

I clearly works as much as you are capable of using it.


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View PostNegativvv, on 19 November 2019 - 08:58 AM, said:

 The 430 in comparison is like a full on HT, that bounces loads off the turret.

 

Have to say that 430 turret is far from reliable. Anyone with 270-280 pen will likely penetrate if RNG don't mess up with the shot. 

In general 430 armour is worthless and not something you can rely on. T-54 and E50 both looks better on armour regards compared to it.



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View PostDava_117, on 19 November 2019 - 10:56 AM, said:

In general 430 armour is worthless

 

It's pretty far from worthless. It's true no tank in 2019 should rely on armor, because premum ammo but 430 has a LOT of armor for the mobility and the armor layout is pretty good.

 

 



Bora_BOOM #18 Posted 19 November 2019 - 11:08 AM

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View PostDava_117, on 19 November 2019 - 09:56 AM, said:

 

Have to say that 430 turret is far from reliable. Anyone with 270-280 pen will likely penetrate if RNG don't mess up with the shot. 

In general 430 armour is worthless and not something you can rely on. T-54 and E50 both looks better on armour regards compared to it.

 

Hmmm...

I am not sure I would agree on that cause of the difference in the way the armor should be used: 430 can bully enemies in the face, which is not the way E50 is played in general, mainly cause it is a huge tank.

One has better turret the other has a better hull sort of speak. Also, 430 has a troll armor and it is Ruski, while E50 requires armor to be used properly, it will not help by itself, lets put it that way.

It is possible T-54 is better than both, although it is not much better armor wise than 430 but is more mobile so it can wiggle and hide/attack faster. The gun is in between the two above.


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I am not a very good player on meds, but E50 is the only one it which I have had some good games. 

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View Postpihip, on 19 November 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:


Yeah I thought about this one as well to be honest.

No grind (seriously wtf?), good at everything with a marginal loss of gun handling and mobility compared to same tier peers (which is a debatable weakness), leads to one of the best Tier 10s currently available.

... honestly, I'm kinda tempted now. Though I know that if I were to get it, I would most likely never play WZ-120 again. <.<

 

The loss is anything but marginal. And I have 3 full marathons in 430/baby bat. Think over 1k battles.

 

And still hate that tank. 

 

Gun is horrid/way too random for me. Now, ok, if you play chinese meds you probably won't complain =)))

 

But between 430 and any of those 2... definitely not 430. Bar the stock part. No stock grind vs horrible(and rather long) one - here yes.






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