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lime_vortep #1 Posted 19 November 2019 - 11:52 AM

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I am far from being a great player, I am an average player. I also am a TD player mostly. I suck at the agressive and dynamic gameplay of meds and lights, so I stick with TDs and some Heavys. 

 

at the moment I have JgPz E 100, Grille 15, Object 268, Object 268 V4, FV4005, FV 215b 183, Badger, Strv 103b, Foch B in my garage. So I have 8/11 researchable Tier X TD's in the game. I miss the WZ-113G FT and both US TDs. 

 

I will rank all of my tier 10 TDs and will point out their weaknesses and streinghts

 

8. FV4005 (UK)

This was my number 2 TD in the game before the last nerf. The tank can deal massive damage and have good top speed, but the nerfs to gun handling and MOST DEVASTATING nerf to the reverse speed just killed it for me. With that reverse I get spotted, there is almost no way I will survive. 

PROS: Massive damage with both AP and HESH, good mobility

CONS: No armour, terrible gun handling, devastating reverse speed. 

 

7. OBJECT 268 VERSION 4 (USSR)

Yes, you are reading it right. Version 4, not the plain 268. The tank just dont work for me. I try to play it more as sniper - I failr, try to play agressive - I fail. Yes, I have some good battles with it, but it is one of those tanks I can't seem to make them work for me. 

PROS: Fantastic armour, good mobility

CONS: Gold magnet, average gun handling

 

6. STRV 103B (SWEDEN)

The tank is amazing sniper, but on 2/3 of maps it can be useless. Also, in team roll battles, the tank can be in trouble to keep up as it has to switch between the travel and seige modes. 

PROS: amazing accuracy and shell velocity, fantastic camo

CONS: seige mode switch, low alpha damage, map dependant. 

 

5. FOCH B (FRANCE)

I like the tank and the fact that It can be very agressive with it. The massive 6 shell magazine is awesome, but also not very relilable with standart shells as due to bad pen. 

PROS: magazine with 6 shells, good speed, decent camo

CONS: huge weak spot, below average gun handling, bad penetration. Very expensive with gold. 

 

4. FV217 BADGER (UK)

I started to really like the tank. It has good armour, and great gun with the best DPM in the game. But it is also slow and have very weak lower plate. 

PROS: Amazig DPM, gun handling and accuracy, good amour. 

CONS: slow speed, weak lower plate. 

 

3. OBJECT 268 (USSR)

I love it! The tank has great gun stats for such a massive gun, and it also have great mobility and good camo. 

PROS: Great gun handling and accuracy, good camo and mobility

CONS: weak armour

 

2. GRILLE 15 (GERMANY)

A perfect tank for my play style. Great sniper with the ability to relocate fast and be agressive when it needs to be. 

PROS: The best gun handling and accuracy for such high calible gun, fantastic mibility. 

CONS: no armour and bad camo. 

 

1. JAGDPANZER E100 (GERMANY)

I know it is different and strange top choice but it is a tank I perfrom great with. It is the only tier X TD I have 2 gun marks on and it has this amazing gun with some good accuracy and handling for 17cm gun. 

PROS: Amazing gun power, decent armour. That 420mm gold pen. 

CONS: weak spot lower plate and bad mobility. 



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View Postlime_vortep, on 19 November 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

I am far from being a great player, I am an average player. I also am a TD player mostly. I suck at the agressive and dynamic gameplay of meds and lights, so I stick with TDs and some Heavys. 

 

at the moment I have JgPz E 100, Grille 15, Object 268, Object 268 V4, FV4005, FV 215b 183, Badger, Strv 103b, Foch B in my garage. So I have 8/11 researchable Tier X TD's in the game. I miss the WZ-113G FT and both US TDs. 

 

I will rank all of my tier 10 TDs and will point out their weaknesses and streinghts

 

8. FV4005 (UK)

This was my number 2 TD in the game before the last nerf. The tank can deal massive damage and have good top speed, but the nerfs to gun handling and MOST DEVASTATING nerf to the reverse speed just killed it for me. With that reverse I get spotted, there is almost no way I will survive. 

PROS: Massive damage with both AP and HESH, good mobility

CONS: No armour, terrible gun handling, devastating reverse speed. 

 

7. OBJECT 268 VERSION 4 (USSR)

Yes, you are reading it right. Version 4, not the plain 268. The tank just dont work for me. I try to play it more as sniper - I failr, try to play agressive - I fail. Yes, I have some good battles with it, but it is one of those tanks I can't seem to make them work for me. 

PROS: Fantastic armour, good mobility

CONS: Gold magnet, average gun handling

 

6. STRV 103B (SWEDEN)

The tank is amazing sniper, but on 2/3 of maps it can be useless. Also, in team roll battles, the tank can be in trouble to keep up as it has to switch between the travel and seige modes. 

PROS: amazing accuracy and shell velocity, fantastic camo

CONS: seige mode switch, low alpha damage, map dependant. 

 

5. FOCH B (FRANCE)

I like the tank and the fact that It can be very agressive with it. The massive 6 shell magazine is awesome, but also not very relilable with standart shells as due to bad pen. 

PROS: magazine with 6 shells, good speed, decent camo

CONS: huge weak spot, below average gun handling, bad penetration. Very expensive with gold. 

 

4. FV217 BADGER (UK)

I started to really like the tank. It has good armour, and great gun with the best DPM in the game. But it is also slow and have very weak lower plate. 

PROS: Amazig DPM, gun handling and accuracy, good amour. 

CONS: slow speed, weak lower plate. 

 

3. OBJECT 268 (USSR)

I love it! The tank has great gun stats for such a massive gun, and it also have great mobility and good camo. 

PROS: Great gun handling and accuracy, good camo and mobility

CONS: weak armour

 

2. GRILLE 15 (GERMANY)

A perfect tank for my play style. Great sniper with the ability to relocate fast and be agressive when it needs to be. 

PROS: The best gun handling and accuracy for such high calible gun, fantastic mibility. 

CONS: no armour and bad camo. 

 

1. JAGDPANZER E100 (GERMANY)

I know it is different and strange top choice but it is a tank I perfrom great with. It is the only tier X TD I have 2 gun marks on and it has this amazing gun with some good accuracy and handling for 17cm gun. 

PROS: Amazing gun power, decent armour. That 420mm gold pen. 

CONS: weak spot lower plate and bad mobility. 

 

OK BOOMER.



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Here's how I would rate them, granted I don't have american and chinese TDs.

1. Strv 103B - fun, could play one all day

2. Foch B, Foch 155, Obj 268v4 - fun in limited doses 

3. Obj 268, Badger, JPE100 - I guess I could play a battle or two

4. FV4005, FV215b (183) - I don't really want to play these

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50. Grille 15

 

 

 



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View PostWarzey, on 19 November 2019 - 11:32 AM, said:

Here's how I would rate them, granted I don't have american and chinese TDs.

1. Strv 103B - fun, could play one all day

2. Foch B, Foch 155, Obj 268v4 - fun in limited doses 

3. Obj 268, Badger, JPE100 - I guess I could play a battle or two

4. FV4005, FV215b (183) - I don't really want to play these

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50. Grille 15

 

 

 

You'd put the Foch 155 in the same class as the bobject? I'm assuming that's if you are firing full HE for the memes cuz otherwise the Foch 155 is dreadful.



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View Post24doom24, on 19 November 2019 - 01:22 PM, said:

You'd put the Foch 155 in the same class as the bobject? I'm assuming that's if you are firing full HE for the memes cuz otherwise the Foch 155 is dreadful.

 

They're all dreadful foch b and bobject included, it just can be fun to play these tanks for a few battles. I personally run foch 155 with full HEAT of full HE depending on how I feel. 

Now that I think about it, every TD other than Strv and T110E3 is rather dreadful.  



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only one I know is the WZ as its the only TX I have..... and its one of the ones you don't :( 

 



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Best tier 10 TD IMO is E4 because turret, I also like the Grille 15 even if it is out of the meta.

 

Haven't played the bobject yet. 



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View Posttajj7, on 19 November 2019 - 01:48 PM, said:

Best tier 10 TD IMO is E4 because turret, I also like the Grille 15 even if it is out of the meta.

 

Haven't played the bobject yet. 

Well i dont think E4 is horrible but whats the point of playing it when you can play any of the tier 10 Heavy tanks with 560+ alpha guns.

 

E100 , 60TP , AMX M4 , Obj 705A , PZ Kpfw VII , VK72 or Type 5 Heavy with either gun.



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View Postdemon_tank, on 19 November 2019 - 02:01 PM, said:

Well i dont think E4 is horrible but whats the point of playing it when you can play any of the tier 10 Heavy tanks with 560+ alpha guns.

 

E100 , 60TP , AMX M4 , Obj 705A , PZ Kpfw VII , VK72 or Type 5 Heavy with either gun.

 

375 pen APCR and the gun is better than the derpy guns on most of those tanks. 

 

And it was about tier 10 TDs, all the other tier 10 TDs lack a turret and are massively inflexible.  


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Tds in general the higher tier the more boring they get to play. As they only really come into thier own when players make mistakes, lower mid tiers you see plenty of victims/players driving around aimlessly ready to be farmed. Higher tiers this reduces considerably...

I own a Grille which is junk, a fv4005 which is just rng silliness, a 268 v4 which is an arty and gold magnet and the jg pz e100 which is a meme tank but good fun blasting type 5s. I dont think I'll bother grinding another line though they are very underwhelming in the fun factor department.

Tds would be more fun perhaps if the maps were bigger and perhaps random bushes per game were included to spice up the meta a bit.

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View Posttajj7, on 19 November 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:

 

375 pen APCR and the gun is better than the derpy guns on most of those tanks. 

 

And it was about tier 10 TDs, all the other tier 10 TDs lack a turret and are massively inflexible.  

If we only talk about TDs then sure yes E4 is kinda unique but it also isnt. Grille and the 2 FVs have a turret as well.

 

But i dont think tank classes matter anymore anyways with so many tanks that blur the lines.

 

Lots of LTs can play like MTs and lots of MTs can play as LTs or HTs.

 

Then we have many HTs that can play as MTs so classes aside i dont see a point of playing E4 when all the high alpha HTs exist which are better overall or in specific aspects.


Edited by demon_tank, 19 November 2019 - 05:15 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 19 November 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

375 pen APCR and the gun is better than the derpy guns on most of those tanks. 

 

And it was about tier 10 TDs, all the other tier 10 TDs lack a turret and are massively inflexible.  

G15 has a turret, even if it does not turn 360 degrees, the same is with the s**tbarn and deathstar.



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View Postdemon_tank, on 19 November 2019 - 05:14 PM, said:

If we only talk about TDs then sure yes E4 is kinda unique but it also isnt. Grille and the 2 FVs have a turret as well.

 

But i dont think tank classes matter anymore anyways with so many tanks that blur the lines.

 

Lots of LTs can play like MTs and lots of MTs can play as LTs or HTs.

 

Then we have many HTs that can play as MTs so classes aside i dont see a point of playing E4 when all the high alpha HTs exist which are better overall or in specific aspects.

What the E4 lacks in armour it has in raw penetration. 295/375mm or massive 1.1k alpha makes it a very viable tank to use. Of course, it has to be played as a paper heavy, since it can be penned in many places



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View Postdemon_tank, on 19 November 2019 - 06:14 PM, said:

If we only talk about TDs then sure yes E4 is kinda unique but it also isnt. Grille and the 2 FVs have a turret as well.

 

But i dont think tank classes matter anymore anyways with so many tanks that blur the lines.

 

Lots of LTs can play like MTs and lots of MTs can play as LTs or HTs.

 

Then we have many HTs that can play as MTs so classes aside i dont see a point of playing E4 when all the high alpha HTs exist which are better overall or in specific aspects.


Not really the same.

Grille 15 has limited turret traverse, it feels more like playing a casemate td with good turret traverse than a turreted td.

FV4005 is paper and if spotted, dead.

183 has limited turret traverse again.

 

E4 is pretty much the only td that has a fully functioning turret, and a high alpha gun with td levels of pen (295mm/375mm).

It's speed and overall playstyle also make it play like a heavy tank, and if you count it as a heavy tank it's the one with the highest gold pen in the game.

It also has a bit of camo.

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View PostlnfernaI, on 19 November 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

G15 has a turret, even if it does not turn 360 degrees, the same is with the s**tbarn and deathstar.


It's 50 degrees left and right, at that point you can't side peak, nevermind run and gun, you are practically casemate td in all but name.


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View Postilmavarvas, on 19 November 2019 - 12:30 PM, said:

 

OK BOOMER.


He's probably not that old. 



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View PostVarzA, on 19 November 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:


Not really the same.

Grille 15 has limited turret traverse, it feels more like playing a casemate td with good turret traverse than a turreted td.

FV4005 is paper and if spotted, dead.

183 has limited turret traverse again.

 

E4 is pretty much the only td that has a fully functioning turret, and a high alpha gun with td levels of pen (295mm/375mm).

It's speed and overall playstyle also make it play like a heavy tank, and if you count it as a heavy tank it's the one with the highest gold pen in the game.

It also has a bit of camo.

 

Yes true thats why i said E4 is kinda unique but also isnt at the same time.Grille and the 2 FVs are different but still have a turret.

 

And since E4 is more easily compared to the 7 heavies i mentioned the question remains why play E4 over those 7 tanks ?

 

Camo & gold shell penetration ? Camo doest count when you re playing mid to close range and few people spam full gold anyways.

 

I can see why some players would have the E4 as one of their most played tanks but i never would.

 

The pros just dont outway the cons or the competition in the case of the E4.



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View PostVarzA, on 19 November 2019 - 06:30 PM, said:

 

It's 50 degrees left and right, at that point you can't side peak, nevermind run and gun, you are practically casemate td in all but name.

Which is at least 10 times better than most TDs.

And I am comfortable with it.



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View Postlime_vortep, on 19 November 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

TD's

 



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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 19 November 2019 - 05:43 PM, said:


He's probably not that old. 

Its a..... hmm...., lets use the adjective idiotic

Right, as I was saying:

 

It is an idiotic saying for people making themselves at a higher position.

Of course, it could also be used as a joke, lel.

Problem with written stuff is that you have to convey the scene to explain the tone of writing.... yada yada yada.

 

In any case, since this is about TDs, I shall give my opinion too.

I won't discuss the test server since that is a totally different environment.

I really only have two tier X TDs, those being the grille and the object 268. ( I could've gotten the E4 a long time ago but the T30... is just too good to get rid of)

The grille 15, yeah, it has ambiguous soft stats, the armour is negligeble and the camo (even though it is a relatively small tank) is rather garbage for being the redline TD class(almost like the nashorn, in a way) It does have 1.2k m/s shell velocity, one of the fastest AP rounds in the game and the accuracy, though since its german, it will derp once in a while.

 

The object 268 is a very interesting tank. Since the AP round was buffed for shell velocity, it is quite dangerous and still holds the top 5 in terms of standard pen (183mm deathstar and deathbarn(310), then tier IX and X cheesewedge(308 and then the 268 with 303) It gives me the impression of a TD that can snipe well, but can also do well as a close range support. The armour is not like the version 4, but it can pull off a fair amount of badly aimed shots. Also, it has ridiculous camo. I have been able to hide from tanks from under 300 meters if I don't move an inch, sometimes even lower when the enemy has a bad crew or low viewrange for whatever reason.

 

Pardon the text wall 


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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 19 November 2019 - 04:43 PM, said:

 

View Postilmavarvas, on 19 November 2019 - 11:30 AM, said:

 

OK BOOMER.

 

He's probably not that old. 

 

Yeah I don't think any boomer will have more than 45% WR, even after playing a million games ;)

 

 

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Its a..... hmm...., lets use the adjective "stupid" meme, that is in fashion nowadays

 

No it's real. They drived the world for the 30 last years. I can testify that they had almost every position in control in big companies until recently.

So they can't whine now : the world is how they made it.


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