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Sexy_Nightmare #1 Posted 19 November 2019 - 12:45 PM

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why in the hell does the RHM borsig have 1100 health but the WZ 111 1G FT has 1000, whats the logic there? the borsig is one of the least armored tanks in the entire game but it gets more health? the WZ has more armor than the ISU and that has 1200 health

would love a health buff to tanks like this

TungstenHitman #2 Posted 19 November 2019 - 12:49 PM

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I suppose the logic is that the one with the armor will block a few shots so needs less hp while the one with no armor won't block shots and get hit with higher damage shells like HE so needs more hp.... kinda logically makes sense therefore?

 

Same deal with the Rev. It's a med with zero armor, won't stop a shot, so it gets the most hp to try and balance/compensate.


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Stevies_Team #3 Posted 19 November 2019 - 12:50 PM

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just a question about logic

 

Common Bluddy Sense aka Logic

 

You will find as you travel through life that no Government Department has a policy nor a single piece of paper on either of these subjects

You will find as you travel through life that no University has a degree or handout on either of these subjects

 

I rest my case

 

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shikaka9 #4 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:05 PM

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because RHM has turret :great: I guess

fwhaatpiraat #5 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:13 PM

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If the WZ only blocks a single shot, it already effectively has more hp than the Borsig. Ferdi even has 1500 hp!

 



Negativvv #6 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:16 PM

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Is this why the Panther line of tanks often have HP near tanks of a tier higher? To compensate for the slowness, size of the tank and poor camo? :bush:

TungstenHitman #7 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:21 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 19 November 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:

Ferdi even has 1500 hp!

 

 

That's just cheating made legal. :great:


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The_Baba_Yaga #8 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:25 PM

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 bustin' like an addict with a semi-automatic

tajj7 #9 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:27 PM

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I actually think in game logic terms it makes more sense for stuff with no armour to have more health than most of them currently do, as they won't actually block a shot, especially large stuff like a Leo 1 which is a large paper tank, but it was 150 less HP than the extremely well armoured and much smaller target the 430U. 



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View PostStevies_Team, on 19 November 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

just a question about logic

 

Common Bluddy Sense aka Logic

 

You will find as you travel through life that no Government Department has a policy nor a single piece of paper on either of these subjects

You will find as you travel through life that no University has a degree or handout on either of these subjects

 

I rest my case

 

Have a nice day

 

From Study.com website

Overview of Logic Degree Programs

From the fictional world of Vulcan from 'Star Trek', Spock's motivation of an existence using pure logic now is a major study program in universities around the United States. While the area of logic may not be new as a class or course, degree programs are relatively new. Several graduate degree programs in logic can be found through philosophy or mathematics departments.

 

Case dismissed.



TungstenHitman #11 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:50 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 19 November 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I actually think in game logic terms it makes more sense for stuff with no armour to have more health than most of them currently do, as they won't actually block a shot, especially large stuff like a Leo 1 which is a large paper tank, but it was 150 less HP than the extremely well armoured and much smaller target the 430U. 

 

Proper HP allocations has always been the cure to proper balancing of tanks in this game. Sadly WG took the armored path to balance the game, and you just get tanks that are almost frontally immune, even to gold spamming. If instead, hp pools was the main difference, with some workable armor too obviously, then at least players that use the heavier armor tanks could tank twice as many shots while those that face them can slowly bleed them out instead of these invulnerable lock outs we have and messing around with ammo balance. 



Homer_J #12 Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:50 PM

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View PostSexy_Nightmare, on 19 November 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

why in the hell does the RHM borsig have 1100 health but the WZ 111 1G FT has 1000, whats the logic there? the borsig is one of the least armored tanks in the entire game but it gets more health? the WZ has more armor than the ISU and that has 1200 health

would love a health buff to tanks like this

 

Don't look for a link with armour, mobility, DPM, etc. etc.

 

Hitpoints are a balancing tool.  That is all.



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View Posttajj7, on 19 November 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I actually think in game logic terms it makes more sense for stuff with no armour to have more health than most of them currently do, as they won't actually block a shot

This.

View PostHomer_J, on 19 November 2019 - 12:50 PM, said:

 

Don't look for a link with armour, mobility, DPM, etc. etc.

 

Hitpoints are a balancing tool.  That is all.

And this.

 

Its not rocket science.



Dava_117 #14 Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:16 PM

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View PostSexy_Nightmare, on 19 November 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

why in the hell does the RHM borsig have 1100 health but the WZ 111 1G FT has 1000, whats the logic there? the borsig is one of the least armored tanks in the entire game but it gets more health? the WZ has more armor than the ISU and that has 1200 health

would love a health buff to tanks like this

 

Its a balancing factor. Generally, HP depends on the role the tank has and, in small measure, on armour.

The closer the tank is to the front, the more HP it has. Vehicles that perform the tank role usually have more HP than brawlers, that have more HP than supporter (being snipers, spotters and so on).

In the case you named, both tanks are quite good at sniping, so have a lower HP pool. But WZ have more armour, so it has less HPs to balance that.

ISU-152 play from closer range both as supporter and assault gun/brawler, so has 1200HP because its armour sucks. Ferdi has 1500 because its a firs line tank whos armour became less effective with time, so get more HP. Same happened to the JTigers.



Sexy_Nightmare #15 Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:31 PM

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alright lets look at the upsides of WZ:
slightly more p/w than borsig
10 view range more
higher pen

now for the downsides:
doesnt have a turrret
tank traverse is a lot slower so not having a turret is quite awful there
dpm is lower
stealth is lower
accuracy is lower.
health is the same as a udes for gods sake yet the udes can actually hide at range and hit stuff

see what i mean? 
yes it has some armor but its nowhere near good enough to be a brawler, and if its gonna snipe then why be worse than a tank with a turret in both camo and accuracy?

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View PostDava_117, on 19 November 2019 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

 Ferdi has 1500 because its a firs line tank whos armour became less effective with time, so get more HP. Same happened to the JTigers.

 

Feri didn't always have that much HP, it was boosted because it's win rate was low.



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View PostHomer_J, on 19 November 2019 - 05:04 PM, said:

 

Feri didn't always have that much HP, it was boosted because it's win rate was low.

 

Yeh, I know. That's why I said "whos armour became less effective with time, so get more HP". It had 1200 IIRC, then got buffet to 1500. The same as JTiger that got buffed from 1700 (?) to 2100!



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View PostSexy_Nightmare, on 19 November 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

alright lets look at the upsides of WZ:
slightly more p/w than borsig
10 view range more
higher pen

now for the downsides:
doesnt have a turrret
tank traverse is a lot slower so not having a turret is quite awful there
dpm is lower
stealth is lower
accuracy is lower.
health is the same as a udes for gods sake yet the udes can actually hide at range and hit stuff

see what i mean? 
yes it has some armor but its nowhere near good enough to be a brawler, and if its gonna snipe then why be worse than a tank with a turret in both camo and accuracy?

 

At longer ranges it has even more effective HP, so your logic here is flawed. At a longer range the WZ will bounce pretty much everything from tier VI and mst shells from tier VII.

 

At maximum range the Borsig will still bounce...nothing.

 

If anything the RHM needs 2-300 more HP to actually be a reasonable tank.






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