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kaneloon #1 Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:00 PM

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Hi all,

Just to be clear : I don't retrain crew often, and most of the time on discount with gold.

 

My questions are due to the fact that I never really understood what the 90% retrain was.

 

I hope I'll stay as clear for the questions ;)

 

So : If I have a 2 skills crew member with 100% in all main job (lets say 10 k XP invested) , first skill (50k xp) and second skill (100 k XP).

1/ It I reset him at 90% : will I "just" lose 2-3k XP  (like raising a first job from 90% to 100%) ? or 10% of the total XP ?

2/ If I don't reset its main + 2 full skills and change him from a tank to another, the 10% lacking from the main : will it scales as if he didn't have any skill : 2 or 3k XP needed ? Or much more XP will be needed ?

 

To summarize : are the XP invested in skills impacted by the retrain ?



RamRaid90 #2 Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:04 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 19 November 2019 - 03:00 PM, said:

Hi all,

Just to be clear : I don't retrain crew often, and most of the time on discount with gold.

 

My questions are due to the fact that I never really understood what the 90% retrain was.

 

I hope I'll stay as clear for the questions ;)

 

So : If I have a 2 skills crew member with 100% in all main job (lets say 10 k XP invested) , first skill (50k xp) and second skill (100 k XP).

1/ It I reset him at 90% : will I "just" lose 2-3k XP  (like raising a first job from 90% to 100%) ? or 10% of the total XP ?

2/ If I don't reset its main + 2 full skills and change him from a tank to another, the 10% lacking from the main : will it scales as if he didn't have any skill : 2 or 3k XP needed ? Or much more XP will be needed ?

 

To summarize : are the XP invested in skills impacted by the retrain ?

 

No.

 

The only thing you lose is the crew members ability to function in his primary role at 100%.

 

The only time you will lose XP invested in skills is when you reset them (such as I do when moving a crew from one tank to the next)



kaneloon #3 Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:27 PM

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Ok thanks.

But it was my question : when you reset skills, how much do you lose ?



Ogodai #4 Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:38 PM

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10 % I think.

Balc0ra #5 Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:52 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 19 November 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

Ok thanks.

But it was my question : when you reset skills, how much do you lose ?

 

That is dependent on how much % you have, and what skill number it is. But you can do a dorp skill, and you can see a preview of the 3 different options and how much he last left after the reset. So you can see it yourself before you drop anything. 



RamRaid90 #6 Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:03 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 19 November 2019 - 03:27 PM, said:

Ok thanks.

But it was my question : when you reset skills, how much do you lose ?

 

You lose XP based on multiple factors.

 

If you are just resetting and not changing tank (so your crew is still 100%) You can reset for gold and not lose anything.

 

Otherwise you'll lose 10% reseting for credits or 20% reseting for free. The total lost is 10% (or 20%) of the crew memebers TOTAL experience, so the % you lose will vary depending how many crew skills you've amassed.

 

If your crew are not 100% some of the experience will be spent bringing them back up to 100% before applying the rest of the XP to skills.


Edited by RamRaid90, 19 November 2019 - 05:04 PM.


Stevies_Team #7 Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:07 PM

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When you press the 20k button the confirmation window tells you the new values if you confirm the transaction

 

Then get your calculator out....

 

...which won't work because the numbers are on a sliding scale...

 

Just press the button dude


Edited by Stevies_Team, 19 November 2019 - 05:09 PM.


Homer_J #8 Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:17 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 19 November 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

Ok thanks.

But it was my question : when you reset skills, how much do you lose ?

 

10% of their exp.

 

And it's a lot more than you seem to think.

 

From the wiki.

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  • Major Qualification from 0% to 100% requires a total of 105,030 XP.
  • 1st Skill or Perk from 0% to 100% requires a total of 210,060 XP.
  • 2nd Skill or Perk from 0% to 100% requires a total of 420,120 XP.
  • 3rd Skill or Perk from 0% to 100% requires a total of 840,240 XP.

 



Balc0ra #9 Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:17 PM

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Just to clarify, when you click reset. This is what you will see. The crew at the top is the current skill setup. The crew at the bottom is a preview of how much he drops for silver after a skill reset. The white line is the % of base skill he gains from the lost crew skill XP. So that if you don't like the numbers you see. You can choose not to do it. So this loader goes from 76% base and the 2nd skill at 86%. To 100% base and the 2nd skill at 70%.

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 19 November 2019 - 05:18 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #10 Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:48 PM

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Retraining you should always do for credits, it really isn't that big a deal to gain main skill back up to 100%, half a dozen good games or so. Reseting skills you should always do for gold especially if you have a good crew because otherwise you will lose a LOT of XP. 

kaneloon #11 Posted 19 November 2019 - 06:21 PM

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Ok thank you all, one of the mysteries of Wot has just unraveled for me ;)

Jamadeus #12 Posted 19 November 2019 - 07:05 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 19 November 2019 - 05:48 PM, said:

Retraining you should always do for credits, it really isn't that big a deal to gain main skill back up to 100%, half a dozen good games or so. Reseting skills you should always do for gold especially if you have a good crew because otherwise you will lose a LOT of XP. 


This, really. Take note, it's important.



Zmago5000 #13 Posted 20 November 2019 - 07:27 AM

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I always thought 10% penalty apllies for all the XP gathered on the crewmember,....so for example if you are on 2nd skill just reached,  that is 105,000+ 210,000+ 420,000 = SUM 735,000, doest is take away 73,500 XP,....

or just 10% from the major qualification i.e. 10,500 XP?? confused now?!



VarzA #14 Posted 20 November 2019 - 08:16 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 19 November 2019 - 05:00 PM, said:

Hi all,

Just to be clear : I don't retrain crew often, and most of the time on discount with gold.

 

My questions are due to the fact that I never really understood what the 90% retrain was.

 

I hope I'll stay as clear for the questions ;)

 

So : If I have a 2 skills crew member with 100% in all main job (lets say 10 k XP invested) , first skill (50k xp) and second skill (100 k XP).

1/ It I reset him at 90% : will I "just" lose 2-3k XP  (like raising a first job from 90% to 100%) ? or 10% of the total XP ?

2/ If I don't reset its main + 2 full skills and change him from a tank to another, the 10% lacking from the main : will it scales as if he didn't have any skill : 2 or 3k XP needed ? Or much more XP will be needed ?

 

To summarize : are the XP invested in skills impacted by the retrain ?


100% crew is like 90k xp, 1st skill is 210k, 2nd skill is 420k xp.

 

The XP invested in skills are mostly not impacted by retrain, with 3 exceptions to this rule :

1 - Unallocated XP (the golden + sign) is taken from to fill up the tanker from 90% (or 80%) to 100%, if there is not enough, it will take all

2 - retraining at 90%, if you don't have enough unallocated XPto fill it up to 100%, then all crew xp earned goes straight into getting that character to 100% and only after that it applies to the skill/perk

3 - all xp that is on skill/perk that has not been used to go up a percentage point, is considered unallocated XP; for instance, if you have 1st skill at 100%, 2nd at 99% with just 1 xp left to finish 2nd and get started on 3rd .... the xp that sits there collected to take you from 99% to 100% is considered unallocated XP, and it will be applied to the 80/90% specialization

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View PostZmago5000, on 20 November 2019 - 08:27 AM, said:

I always thought 10% penalty apllies for all the XP gathered on the crewmember,....so for example if you are on 2nd skill just reached,  that is 105,000+ 210,000+ 420,000 = SUM 735,000, doest is take away 73,500 XP,....

or just 10% from the major qualification i.e. 10,500 XP?? confused now?!


No, that only applies if you reset skills/perks and you do it with credits instead of gold, you lose 10% (which is nothing if you are 1st/2nd skill).

Otherwise the loss will happen from the crew specialization on the tank (going from 90% to 100% is 35-40k xp).

 

PS: One nifty little trick at mid tiers is to get crew to 100%, and then reset applied xp to skills/perks.

Example would be the T-150, lets say you finished it at about 80% repairs all around, you move the crew to the KV-3.

But if you retrain with creds, you are at 90% and you don't have enough unallocated xp in the jump from 80% to 81% to fill that up.

So what you do is reset the skills/perks for credits, you lose 10% of the xp in those (not a big deal, probably less than 10k xp lost overall), and the unallocated crew xp generated fills up your crew spec to 100%, with some left over to get repairs back up to about 55-60%.

 

PPS: Another little trick is to keep unallocated xp pools.

Same example, KV-3, 55-60% repairs, let's say you grind like crazy and use premium account and crew xp boosters, on an event and you get repairs to 100% ... then don't assign a next skill/perk.

Just let it add up to about 60-70% (ideally), and when you get the next tank (KV-4 or future double barreled t8), you will get 100% crew on that one and have enough xp to reset commander/loader for 6th sense/ safe stowage.


Edited by VarzA, 20 November 2019 - 08:24 AM.


kaneloon #15 Posted 20 November 2019 - 08:26 AM

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View PostZmago5000, on 20 November 2019 - 06:27 AM, said:

I always thought 10% penalty apllies for all the XP gathered on the crewmember,....so for example if you are on 2nd skill just reached,  that is 105,000+ 210,000+ 420,000 = SUM 735,000, doest is take away 73,500 XP,....

or just 10% from the major qualification i.e. 10,500 XP?? confused now?!

 

Look at what said NUKLEAR_SLUG : it summarize it.

- If you keep the skills and just retrain a Tiger II crew to the E75 you lose few XP, only on the main job.

- If you reset skills : to get 6th sense and BIA instead of 2 other skills => you lose on the total XP.


Edited by Jahpero, 20 November 2019 - 12:19 PM.
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WhoCares01 #16 Posted 20 November 2019 - 10:13 AM

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You can use the WoT crew skill calculator of PlanetWOT to check how much it takes from 90% to 100% of the primary skill: ~40k. Which is the reasn why newbies ruin their 100% crews from the tier 1 tanks by the time they reach tier 5. And it's the reason why I play tier 1-4 tanks with a mix of not retrained crewmembers and  50% crews which get fired after the grind is done.

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I think to reset a crew with credits and keep them 100% you have to run the next skill(wile also leaving that skill box unchosen I think?) to about 48%... ish?

 

So it's something like 100% skill + 48% unselected skill box + 20k credits reset/retrain = 100% skill 

 

Was it something like that?



WhoCares01 #18 Posted 20 November 2019 - 10:35 AM

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90% to 100% of the primary skill is 39153XP.

You reach an excess of ~40k with

- 65% 1st skill

- 51% 2nd skill

- 38% 3rd skill

- 26% 4th skill

Above mentioned calculator is your friend ;)

Also worth considering applying crew books and leaving the next skill open before retraining. Especially when you want to bring a new crew from a premium or reward tank up and assign them to a tech tree tank.


Edited by WhoCares01, 20 November 2019 - 10:40 AM.


kaneloon #19 Posted 20 November 2019 - 02:47 PM

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What you call primary skill is the main job, right ?

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View PostWhoCares01, on 20 November 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

Also worth (...) leaving the next skill open before retraining.

I am not sure what you meant with this ?

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Are we in line with the fact that those 40k xp are always 40k XP to get back to 100%, whatever rhe number of skills ?



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View PostZmago5000, on 20 November 2019 - 06:27 AM, said:

I always thought 10% penalty apllies for all the XP gathered on the crewmember,....so for example if you are on 2nd skill just reached,  that is 105,000+ 210,000+ 420,000 = SUM 735,000, doest is take away 73,500 XP,....

or just 10% from the major qualification i.e. 10,500 XP?? confused now?!

 

Retraining - 10% from major qualification.

 

Dropping skills - 10% of all exp the crew member has gained above 100% major qualification. (If you have 1% first skill and drop skills you don't lose anything from the major qualification).







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