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should the Chi-Ri get the ho-ri's experimental 105mm tank gun?


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Alpha_snake #1 Posted 20 November 2019 - 08:47 PM

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the same 105mm main gun that would have gone onto the Ho-Ri tank destroyers, one known example of this gun had existed and was planned the chi-ri/chi-to based Ho-ri tank destroyer. Though this gun wasn't tested on the chi-ri's turret(the turret was unarmed at the time of the allied victory in pacific).  it was tested on a rotary gun mount and from the looks of the size of the chi-ri's turret could have been mounted to the turret of the tank in place of the 75mm Type 5 main gun that was planned.

 

It could have a higher average alpha(360 vs 115-130 of the 75mm) and a similar pen to the D-15T and D-10T. but would have a lower ROF and gun depression and elevation. of course the playstyle between the top 75mm and the 105mm gun could be different to give chi-ri driver's options.

 

Though the actual stats of the gun would have to be balanced against the existing top guns for Tier 7 medium tanks.



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ho-ri sh*t 

RamRaid90 #3 Posted 20 November 2019 - 08:50 PM

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Chi Ri needs a lot more than a gun.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 20 November 2019 - 07:50 PM, said:

Chi Ri needs a lot more than a gun.

Chi-Rieally think so? 



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Well, the idea may be good but the alpha can't be 360. 300 is the 105 alpha under tier 8.

I would still prefere a small pen buff on the 75mm autoloader. That thing is just to fun, unleashing the alpha of a 122mm in 2 seconds. 



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Afaik, while there was a Chi-Ri Kai project with such a gun planned for it, the bigger issue the tank has is, imo, the lack of engine power.

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View Postxx984, on 20 November 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

Chi-Rieally think so? 

 

I knO-ho so.



wEight_Tanker #8 Posted 20 November 2019 - 09:13 PM

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Wasn't there something about Chi-Ri getting the Tiger I gun among the ST-I buff two years ago or something?

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View PostRamRaid90, on 20 November 2019 - 08:01 PM, said:

 

I knO-ho so.



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View Postxx984, on 20 November 2019 - 08:25 PM, said:

 



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 20 November 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

Afaik, while there was a Chi-Ri Kai project with such a gun planned for it, the bigger issue the tank has is, imo, the lack of engine power.

 

This, I don't mind the current clip gun on it. Nor would I mind a bigger single fire gun on it. But that mobility getting buffed would help more indeed.



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Chi-Ri like said, really just needs a hefty mobility buff and it would become much better (the pen wouldnt be as a big issue with better mobility as well).

 

That being said, 10.5 cm gun from the Ho-Ri could actually fit the Chi-Ri's turret if the loading assistant was removed - such ideas were considered:

 

The "Chi-Se" project was an idea to fit a 10.5 cm gun on a medium tank, presumably on something that was based on the Chi-Ri hull, though not much else is known about it. The pic above is a "what if" image of how the Chi-Se could look like. Some features, like the sloped hull from the Ho-Ri and larger turret are hypothetical, the actual look of the tank is not known. The project might've not gone any further than just very rough ideas/requirements of a new vehicle, but a 10.5 cm AT gun medium tank was considered regardless.

 

A something based on Chi-Se could be used as a tier 8 premium MT, or if you modify the armor a bit (which is possible with the heavy sloping that is sloped at 70 degrees), even as a tier 8 premium HT, which is something Japan lacks. 



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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 20 November 2019 - 09:13 PM, said:

Wasn't there something about Chi-Ri getting the Tiger I gun among the ST-I buff two years ago or something?

The completely fictional¹ 8.8cm cannon you mean?

¹OKay, not completely fictional, but the 8.8cm cannon that was found near the cannon-less Chi-Ri prototype was, afaik, an AA gun and not a tank-gun.

Specifically, this gun I think it was: https://en.wikipedia...99_88_mm_AA_gun



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 20 November 2019 - 07:58 PM, said:

Afaik, while there was a Chi-Ri Kai project with such a gun planned for it, the bigger issue the tank has is, imo, the lack of engine power.

 

Like most IJA vehicles in the branch.

 

I don't see why not, though. 105mm guns deal 390HP and so does its current autogun.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 20 November 2019 - 09:52 PM, said:

The completely fictional¹ 8.8cm cannon you mean?

¹OKay, not completely fictional, but the 8.8cm cannon that was found near the cannon-less Chi-Ri prototype was, afaik, an AA gun and not a tank-gun.

Specifically, this gun I think it was: https://en.wikipedia...99_88_mm_AA_gun

 

Well, should it matter whether it was AA or AG? Since the PzSfl4C (Toaster) and most TDs are mostly full AA. 



Nishi_Kinuyo #16 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:21 AM

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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 20 November 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

Well, should it matter whether it was AA or AG? Since the PzSfl4C (Toaster) and most TDs are mostly full AA. 

That Japan never intended to use it as an AT gun?

Like mentioned above, they were already working on 10cm AT guns at the time, so why bother with an 8.8cm?


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 21 November 2019 - 12:21 AM.


wEight_Tanker #17 Posted 21 November 2019 - 02:05 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 21 November 2019 - 12:21 AM, said:

That Japan never intended to use it as an AT gun?

Like mentioned above, they were already working on 10cm AT guns at the time, so why bother with an 8.8cm?

Honestly, yeah, I still prefer the 105mm one. :trollface:



Lanrefni #18 Posted 21 November 2019 - 06:08 AM

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no thanks, I like my autoloader. a mobility buff would be appreciated and you get a glass cannon with better DPM and handling than IS or IS-2 (CH).

shikaka9 #19 Posted 21 November 2019 - 07:22 AM

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add as Second gun :B

Kissa_ei_kuulu_pakkaseen #20 Posted 21 November 2019 - 08:30 AM

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Chi-Ri could use slight mobile buff & standard ammo buff. The auto-loader otherwise is quite nice as it is...




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