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pihip #1 Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:56 AM

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Pretty simple question - what's the current consensus on the Type 61 and it's successor the STB-1?

 

As in - are they good in today's meta, or do they perform adequately but unspectacularly? Or they're bad and should be avoided?

Note that I'm not going to grind this line for competitive game modes (though I know a few brought their STB-1s in Ranked), it's just to have tanks I think are pretty unique to play with. :)
 


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xx984 #2 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:06 PM

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Type 61 I can’t answer for.

 

however STB is amazing since the buffs once you get used to the suspension. It can rip apart most tanks with ease



demon_tank #3 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:08 PM

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Tier 8 Sta was always ok.

Tier 9 Type was always good.

 

Tier 10 Stb1 was controversial.

Bad for some , meh for others and good for a few.

Now after the rebalance its very good.

 

So overall the grind is worth it.



DuncaN_101 #4 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:17 PM

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At the sta right now... Haven't taken the time to actually start grinding it.

So is it worth the grind gents?

Krazy_Kalle #5 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:32 PM

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I liked the grind so far, currently at Tier IX, stock gun is surprisingly good.

But let's be real here. You ask for the current meta, I tell you the current meta at Tier X:

Light: EBR 105
Medium: 430U
Heavy: 279(e)

TD: 268v4
Arty: Arty



pihip #6 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:41 PM

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View PostKrazy_Kalle, on 21 November 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

I liked the grind so far, currently at Tier IX, stock gun is surprisingly good.

But let's be real here. You ask for the current meta, I tell you the current meta at Tier X:

Light: EBR 105
Medium: 430U
Heavy: 279(e)

TD: 268v4
Arty: Arty


That's one hell of a boring meta. :teethhappy:

Jokes aside, I play random battles, I'm not confident enough in my skill level to tackle competitive.

Also, pretty sad that the top choice for heavy is a reward tank... :sceptic:



BrinklyWollox #7 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:47 PM

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They're still harder to play well than Russian mediums but not as much as they used to be.

 

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Evilier_than_Skeletor #8 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:48 PM

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View PostDuncaN_101, on 21 November 2019 - 12:17 PM, said:

At the sta right now... Haven't taken the time to actually start grinding it.

So is it worth the grind gents?

Yes sir, it is worth it. Sta-1 was alright, Type-61 has been surprisingly good. And the real reward should be at tier X, but can't comment on that yet because I'm broke :(

 

The thing that the Type could use is a little more top speed, but according to Wikipedia 45km/h actually was the top speed. Gun handling is excellent, AP pen is excellent with good shell velocity and against heavy armor there is the 330 pen HEAT. 



Krazy_Kalle #9 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:50 PM

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View Postpihip, on 21 November 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:


That's one hell of a boring meta. :teethhappy:

Jokes aside, I play random battles, I'm not confident enough in my skill level to tackle competitive.

Also, pretty sad that the top choice for heavy is a reward tank... :sceptic:

 

Haha yeah it sadly is. I wish every Tier X would have a place in the "meta". I mean I don't give a damn, I like my Tier X german light, I like my Leopard 1 and I can't wait to get my 113, etc.

I would say my skill is slightly above average I guess and yeah I only play random as well. Started ranked, was bored/frustrated fast. Only reason I would play CW would be the chieftain, not because it's damn good but because there's nothing really comparable in the Tech Tree. Maybe the T95E6 as well, even if it is a bad tank, idc.

Yeah that really is. I mean there are really good Standard ones like the Chinese WZ or any russian I guess. But that one is just superior to everything. It was already since release, but after its buff, just ridiculous, just stupid.



NUKLEAR_SLUG #10 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:57 PM

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View PostDuncaN_101, on 21 November 2019 - 12:17 PM, said:

At the sta right now... Haven't taken the time to actually start grinding it.

So is it worth the grind gents?

 

STA is decent.

Type 61 has two competitive guns. Top if you like alpha, or stock if you prefer scary ROF.

STB1 has that buffed turret and the hydro suspension that lets you work positions other tanks just can't.



pihip #11 Posted 21 November 2019 - 12:59 PM

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View PostKrazy_Kalle, on 21 November 2019 - 12:50 PM, said:

Haha yeah it sadly is. I wish every Tier X would have a place in the "meta". I mean I don't give a damn, I like my Tier X german light, I like my Leopard 1 and I can't wait to get my 113, etc.


I hold the same opinion, and sometimes feel a bit frustrated that there's so many tanks available, yet only a minority of them are truly viable because they're just a step above the rest.

It's fine to have different goods/bads for variety's sake, but there's a clear imbalance when you look at it (e.g. the old T-54 vs WZ-120 debate, where the former has objectively superior stats).



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I didn't play STA for ages so I can't really tell.

Type 61 is decent like most of the T9 meds, but it's not spectacular. You still have a very tall tank with additional tumor on top and very little armor. Stock grind is a bit of a pain like with other T9 meds, but once you get rid of the stock gun you'll be fine.

STB-1 is a beast, very fun tank in my opinion. Suspension works seamlessly after the buffs which makes the tank very flexible and turret is strong enough to deflect most of the incoming shells. STB has two issues, its sniping capabilities are lackluster compared to your average medium and it gets absolutely deleted by arty, you'll lose like 500 HP if arty lands a shell in the same post code. 

Overall I'd say its worth the grind. STB-1 and Udes 15/16 are my favorite mediums for random.  



pihip #13 Posted 21 November 2019 - 01:18 PM

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View PostWarzey, on 21 November 2019 - 01:11 PM, said:

STB-1 and Udes 15/16 are my favorite mediums for random.  

 

Since you mentioned the Swedish mediums I might as well ask - is the UDES 16 (Tier 9) good?



Krazy_Kalle #14 Posted 21 November 2019 - 01:46 PM

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View Postpihip, on 21 November 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

 

Since you mentioned the Swedish mediums I might as well ask - is the UDES 16 (Tier 9) good?

 

The swedish Tier IX was one of my fastest grinds ever as it was so much fun to play it. Go hull down and you hear either the shells ping of your turret or the switch to HE. Mobility good, gun good, everything good. nothing OP, very well balanced. That's IMO the magic of the new nations. Polish, Swedish, Czech and Italian Tier X tanks are all pretty good balanced.



DuncaN_101 #15 Posted 21 November 2019 - 09:44 PM

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View Postpihip, on 21 November 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

 

Since you mentioned the Swedish mediums I might as well ask - is the UDES 16 (Tier 9) good?

i liked that one allot :) it was one of the quickest grinds i've done in recent years.

a joy to play most times



SamuraiShakaViking #16 Posted 21 November 2019 - 10:25 PM

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Compared to other lines, they're kinda tired and powercrept imho

Nishi_Kinuyo #17 Posted 22 November 2019 - 12:19 AM

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Line is now better than ever, afaik.

Warzey #18 Posted 22 November 2019 - 03:30 AM

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View Postpihip, on 21 November 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

 

Since you mentioned the Swedish mediums I might as well ask - is the UDES 16 (Tier 9) good?

 

Stock grind can be a pain, especially because stock turret is made of paper. On the other hand, once fully upgraded tank is decent, but it has its issues. The top gun is a bit underwhelming, penetration for standard and premium ammo is fairly low and dpm is on the lower end as well while alpha is the same as other T9 meds. When it comes to armor it will bounce regular shells just fine, but turret is not even remotely as strong as the one on UDES 15/16 against HEAT shells.



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View PostWarzey, on 22 November 2019 - 02:30 AM, said:

 

Stock grind can be a pain, especially because stock turret is made of paper. On the other hand, once fully upgraded tank is decent, but it has its issues. The top gun is a bit underwhelming, penetration for standard and premium ammo is fairly low and dpm is on the lower end as well while alpha is the same as other T9 meds. When it comes to armor it will bounce regular shells just fine, but turret is not even remotely as strong as the one on UDES 15/16 against HEAT shells.

 

All that and the gun s also derpy as hell







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