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AMX 30 proto M46 Patton poll

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Poll: AMX 30 proto vs M46 Patton (35 members have cast votes)

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Which of the following tanks would you recommend?

  1. AMX 30 1er prototype (14 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  2. M46 Patton (21 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

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pihip #1 Posted 22 November 2019 - 08:19 PM

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First thread was E 50, second was Type 61/STB-1.

Third time's a charm?

Jokes aside, soon I'll have less free time available and so I want to decide on something high tier to grind and have no regrets about it. As a rather indecisive person, I ask for your help.

Considering my playstyle and skill level, what I seek is a tank that can perform multiple roles without sacrificing firepower, mobility and/or survivability (the latter in the form of raw armor or concealment). I don't mind if there's a learning curve, we all have to begin somewhere.

Taking into account the fact that my most skilled crew are a 5-man American crew and a 4-man French crew, I've come to the conclusion that one of the above mentioned tanks - AMX 30 or M46 - is the one I should get.

This time I've added a poll as well, so even those who do not want to comment can at least vote.

Disclaimer - I do not play competitive game modes (though one day I'll have to play some Ranked for much-needed Bonds), so even if neither of the tanks I'm considering is "meta" it's fine, almost anything has its moments in randoms.

As before, thanks in advance to any and all willing to give me a hand, and have fun. :)

8126Jakobsson #2 Posted 22 November 2019 - 09:51 PM

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I like them both but I think I'll give it to the AMX due to its better mobility and penetration. Patton's 218 standard at tier 9 is just plain bad. Its gun is sharper and come with more depression though.  

NUKLEAR_SLUG #3 Posted 22 November 2019 - 10:02 PM

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I do very well in AMX30, I find it to be somewhat flammable tho..

RamRaid90 #4 Posted 22 November 2019 - 10:21 PM

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Leo PTA trumps both. :great:

pihip #5 Posted 23 November 2019 - 09:51 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 22 November 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

I do very well in AMX30, I find it to be somewhat flammable tho..

 

View Post8126Jakobsson, on 22 November 2019 - 09:51 PM, said:

I like them both but I think I'll give it to the AMX due to its better mobility and penetration. Patton's 218 standard at tier 9 is just plain bad. Its gun is sharper and come with more depression though.  


I'll ask you both something a bit more specific - given that the only armor the AMX has is the mantlet, and that the tank is otherwise paper, should I prioritize camo over repairs? This is not a sniper since the accuracy is merely average (even with all the boosts it's what, .34?), but my reasoning was that if the armor is worthless, might as well invest on concealment first, and take repair skill later.



8126Jakobsson #6 Posted 23 November 2019 - 10:08 AM

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View Postpihip, on 23 November 2019 - 09:51 AM, said:

I'll ask you both something a bit more specific - given that the only armor the AMX has is the mantlet, and that the tank is otherwise paper, should I prioritize camo over repairs? This is not a sniper since the accuracy is merely average (even with all the boosts it's what, .34?), but my reasoning was that if the armor is worthless, might as well invest on concealment first, and take repair skill later.

 

Yeah I give the edge to camo over repairs now that we have rechargeable kits. At four skills I would have it like this:

 

6th - BiA - Camo - Recon

Snap - BiA - Camo - Rep

Smooth - BiA - Camo - Rep

Safe - BiA - Camo - Situational

 

 



pihip #7 Posted 23 November 2019 - 10:15 AM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 23 November 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

Yeah I give the edge to camo over repairs now that we have rechargeable kits. At four skills I would have it like this:

 

6th - BiA - Camo - Recon

Snap - BiA - Camo - Rep

Smooth - BiA - Camo - Rep

Safe - BiA - Camo - Situational


Ah good, thanks. I have yet to reach the 4th skill but otherwise my setup would've been very similar. :)



fwhaatpiraat #8 Posted 23 November 2019 - 10:37 AM

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They are both nice tanks. I cannot properly handle the AMX though, it is really fast, but the Patton is more mobile in narrow spaces, ideal for ridge fights and other cqc combat. The AMX has better penetration and shell velocity, but compared to the Leopard PTA, it sucks. So for me the AMX falls a little in between the Leo PTA with it's fantastic gun and the M46 Patton that is a fantastic tank with a sometimes disappointing gun. I've had some fantastic games with the AMX, the speed combined with its dpm gives it great opportunities, but still it just cannot convince me like the M46 or Leo pta.

 

So I think it's really down to personal preference and style. Don't play any of these medium tanks for it's armor btw, look at the differences and see what you like most.

M46: better mobility but slower.

AMX 30, better shell speed and penetration.

M46 has 20 more base view range.

AMX 30: slightly better accuracy, but slightly worse gun handling.

DPM is about the same.

M46 has 2 degrees better gun depression and elevation.

Both turrets can bounce some shots, but not reliably. AMX arguably has better turret armor, but a large cupola.

Both look cool imo.

 


Edited by fwhaatpiraat, 23 November 2019 - 12:55 PM.


JOSEBA_PRIME #9 Posted 23 November 2019 - 12:49 PM

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In my opinion both are beautiful keeper tanks but I think...

 

- APCR-AMX30 is better than AP-Patton. 

- APCR-Patton is way better than APCR/HEAT AMX30.

 

 



Cro006 #10 Posted 23 November 2019 - 02:34 PM

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I like AMX more, but I played Patton looong time ago, so I'm probably not objective.

vasilinhorulezz #11 Posted 23 November 2019 - 03:04 PM

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M 46 leads to a more solid tier X than AMX 30, so Patton all the way. Both are good tier IXs but the final reward (30B) is not really worth it, because it's not really an upgrade in comparison with the AMX 30.

 

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 22 November 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

I do very well in AMX30, I find it to be somewhat flammable tho..


The problem is with fuel tank placement, because you can hit them even with auto-aim, and of course, depending on angle, you can hit the frond wheel and hit both the fuel tanks and ammo-rack with the same shot.


Edited by vasilinhorulezz, 23 November 2019 - 03:05 PM.


tumppi776 #12 Posted 23 November 2019 - 03:35 PM

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I bote for Skoda T 50. Stronkest t9 med

sokolicc #13 Posted 23 November 2019 - 03:57 PM

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Almost any tier 9 med except WZ-120 is good and competent andnit really depends on your play style.
Leo PTA, Patton, AMX 30, T-54, T-55, E50... But i really prefer tanks with ultra accurate gun like E50 or tanks with tier 10 guns. Patton with it's accuracy and low-ish pen compared to other works the wprst for me from all tanks.
Heat with 300mm of pen on AMX really can't be beaten by Patton's gold shells.
And now AMX too have good and bouncy turret.
It's faster but turns like a boat while Patton is waaay slower but turns faster.
Also, camo on Patton is really bad while in some MM AMX can serve as some kind of spotter.

pihip #14 Posted 23 November 2019 - 04:55 PM

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View PostJOSEBA_PRIME, on 23 November 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

In my opinion both are beautiful keeper tanks but I think...

 

- APCR-AMX30 is better than AP-Patton. 

- APCR-Patton is way better than APCR/HEAT AMX30.

 

I'm that one bloke who uses gold ammo as a last resort, so I'd mostly use AP on the Patton if I could get away with it. And yeah in such a case 248 pen APCR with good shell velocity and accuracy is way better. :justwait:

 

View PostCro006, on 23 November 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

I like AMX more, but I played Patton looong time ago, so I'm probably not objective.

 

I saw some Pattons do well in recent times, so I don't think the tank has aged poorly. Of course, if they were spamming gold it's another issue (don't have the damage panel active, I find it distracting).

 

View Postsokolicc, on 23 November 2019 - 03:57 PM, said:

Almost any tier 9 med except WZ-120 is good and competent andnit really depends on your play style.


Well WZ is my first and so far only Tier 9 medium. :teethhappy:

IMHO it does not deserve the hate and I like the fact that it has HT firepower so I can follow the big guys around if needed, but the -3 gun depression can be an issue at times. And of course it belongs to an older generation of tanks that by now have been powercreeped (these days if one wants an ignorant big alpha medium they play Object 430).


Edited by pihip, 23 November 2019 - 04:55 PM.


JocMeister #15 Posted 23 November 2019 - 10:15 PM

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The M46 does everything the AMX does but better. The only thing where the AMX shines is speed but since it turns like a pregnant whale the speed doesn´t really matter that much.

 

IMO its a pointless tank and my least favorite T9 MT. Want a ridge fighter? M46 does it better. Want turret armor and actually hit things? Cent does it better. Want armor? E50 does it better. Want a paper MT with speed? Leo does it better. Want to hit things? Take any other T9 MT (even the WZ) and you will hit more.

 

I don´t hate many tanks in WoT but AMX 30 is probably the most frustrating and enraging tank I have played. I absolutely loath the piece of crap they call the AMX 30. Its disgusting.


Edited by JocMeister, 24 November 2019 - 11:11 AM.


TungstenHitman #16 Posted 23 November 2019 - 10:30 PM

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I've only the AMX 30. It's an ok tank I suppose, but it got nerfed before I got my hands on it so even back then it made more sense to play the Leo so far as fast papery single shot meds go, even less sense to play it now that the Leo got a buff to make and already better tank even better again. I think WG tried to remove the sniper role it used to apparently have which was like a French alternative to the Leo but it's hard to know what the hell it's supposed to be now. It hasn't the accuracy to snipe, is well of the pace of the current buffed Leo in regards to gun handling, aim time, shell velocity plus it hasn't got a strong turret like Russian meds, won't bounce anything, so it can't really do close quarters stuff or hull down stuff either... just a decentish tank yet why? It does have much better pen options over the Patton though, even the premium ammo is much better at 300 HEAT vs a somewhat pathetic 265 APCR which is going to be more like 250 by the time it hits its target so your options are either a tank with decent pen that cant hit anything or a tank that can hit lots of tanks but pen nothing.... ya.... think I'd take a look at the Leo, Standard B or Skoda tbh :D

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VarzA #17 Posted 24 November 2019 - 05:04 AM

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View Postpihip, on 22 November 2019 - 09:19 PM, said:

First thread was E 50, second was Type 61/STB-1.

Third time's a charm?

Jokes aside, soon I'll have less free time available and so I want to decide on something high tier to grind and have no regrets about it. As a rather indecisive person, I ask for your help.

Considering my playstyle and skill level, what I seek is a tank that can perform multiple roles without sacrificing firepower, mobility and/or survivability (the latter in the form of raw armor or concealment). I don't mind if there's a learning curve, we all have to begin somewhere.

Taking into account the fact that my most skilled crew are a 5-man American crew and a 4-man French crew, I've come to the conclusion that one of the above mentioned tanks - AMX 30 or M46 - is the one I should get.

This time I've added a poll as well, so even those who do not want to comment can at least vote.

Disclaimer - I do not play competitive game modes (though one day I'll have to play some Ranked for much-needed Bonds), so even if neither of the tanks I'm considering is "meta" it's fine, almost anything has its moments in randoms.

As before, thanks in advance to any and all willing to give me a hand, and have fun. :)

 

I highly recommend the AMX 30 between the two.

 

It has amazing top speed and you get the top engine from the start, the mid gun (100mm) comes from the 50-100, and fully upgraded it is insane, with awesome standard and premium pen for the tier.

Turret will bounce stuff and the speed + hp/t allows you to make them rush the shot.

 

The gun on the AMX 30 will troll you more than the gun on the M46 though.

Otherwise, for me the tank works like a charm, it's one of my 'relax' tanks, that i play just because i enjoy them, or might need to do some missions.

 

M46 .... i hated :

1 - tall profile

2 - low pen standard and premium

3 - it's a dpm medium kept back by top speed and overall squishy hull + low pen

T54E1 has a similar gun, but i enjoyed that tank more, at least i had the clip as a tradeoff for the pen.


Edited by VarzA, 24 November 2019 - 05:20 AM.


pihip #18 Posted 24 November 2019 - 11:38 AM

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View PostVarzA, on 24 November 2019 - 05:04 AM, said:

M46 .... i hated :

1 - tall profile

2 - low pen standard and premium

3 - it's a dpm medium kept back by top speed and overall squishy hull + low pen

T54E1 has a similar gun, but i enjoyed that tank more, at least i had the clip as a tradeoff for the pen.


I have the T54E1 unlocked and a crew ready for it, but I did very poorly in the T69 (tank is fine and I had lots of high damage games, but whatever I did apparently was not enough, hence the abysmal 42% winrate at the end of the grind) so I shelved that line for now.

The one consolation is that I never used gold in T69 even when bottom tier, I just had to pick the right fights.



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View Postpihip, on 23 November 2019 - 04:55 PM, said:

 

I'm that one bloke who uses gold ammo as a last resort, so I'd mostly use AP on the Patton if I could get away with it. And yeah in such a case 248 pen APCR with good shell velocity and accuracy is way better. :justwait:

 

 

You should go for AMX 30 then.

 

I 3 marked patton using more or less 30% standard ammo 70% premium ammo, and for amx30 I used like 90% standard 10% premium. Penetration is the only downside of the patton, but it is a big one, If you are planning to use majority of APS with patton that tank is not going to work as you would like. While standard ammo on Amx30 is fine.

 

Amx30 is very nice tier 9, but you need to keep in mind that gun handling is  derpy, it is burning all the time and artys can penetrate you, those downsides make some people hate it, but personally even with those downsides i kind of love it.


Edited by JOSEBA_PRIME, 24 November 2019 - 03:19 PM.


smokeytheband1t #20 Posted 24 November 2019 - 03:56 PM

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I'm not a tanking wizard but.. after going over tanks.gg .. i dnno who the hell would ever take out a AMX30B in it's current state e.e .. the patton is pretty much a amx 2.0




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