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CmdRatScabies #81 Posted 25 November 2019 - 10:26 AM

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View PostInappropriate_noob, on 25 November 2019 - 02:45 AM, said:

Ah yes the infamous typo, lol, Oldschool mods,they are normally incorporated in various modpacks, they at least use to have the gun direction mod in there.

Ah right I wondered if you meant OldSkool.  He took it out when they changed the policy.  I think gun direction and the situational awareness mod disappeared from all the legit mod packs as soon as WG changed the rules - no ban waves since then though for some reason.



AeyT #82 Posted 25 November 2019 - 10:30 AM

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The zoom mod circon used clearly gives an advantage and should either get banned or be added as a baseline feature into the game.

tajj7 #83 Posted 25 November 2019 - 10:31 AM

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Because it is? 

 

'Massive' advantage is debatable as well, certainly has some uses but I'd reckon most players do not have the ability to actually use this to any useful level, this is a playerbase that allegedly more than half have never adjusted their settings and very clearly loads of them don;t use the mini-map, so they would have no clue how to use that to their advantage anyway. 

 

It'll help in some limited situations when the user has the nous to interpret the information correctly. 

 

I'd argue XVM stats and knowing the ability of almost every player is a much bigger advantage and can be consistently used, but I don;t see threads about that being an illegal mod because it provides an unfair advantage. 

 

Both mods are legal and WG decide they are good for the game, that is what you go with until they say otherwise or integrate those mods into the game, I'd presume the zoom-out mod falls into the later as something they plan to introduce to the game. 

 

We have players who put camo nets on their heavy tanks and only fire HE, being able to see slightly better in 3rd person is not going to significantly change anyone's performance or the outcome of the games consistently compared to pure skill level.  



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This mod should be illegal, it gives a clear advantage over players using the vanilla client.

Venom7000 #85 Posted 25 November 2019 - 04:54 PM

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  1. So lets report Circon and Quicky and every other streamer. See what happens (I say nothing) My theory is that WG doesnt want to meddle too much with streamers that realistically speaking popularise the game and free advertise it.
  2. I love how the smartasses on the 1st page of this thread suddenly are quiet once the majority agreed that this mod gives gross amounts of adv.
    (Got to love the hive mentality) :teethhappy:

Edited by Venom7000, 25 November 2019 - 04:56 PM.


Flicka #86 Posted 25 November 2019 - 04:57 PM

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And what if I told you there is an option...in vanilla client...where you can change your view angle, giving you more information on your screen about your surroundings then the average Joe.

 

This increased view does give you the advantage, but the limiting factor was the engine back in the day, and its a relic.

The zoom out option should be in game, just like the mod, and thats it.



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View PostVenom7000, on 25 November 2019 - 03:54 PM, said:

  1. So lets report Circon and Quicky and every other streamer. See what happens (I say nothing) My theory is that WG doesnt want to meddle too much with streamers that realistically speaking popularise the game and free advertise it.
  2. I love how the smartasses on the 1st page of this thread suddenly are quiet once the majority agreed that this mod gives gross amounts of adv.
    (Got to love the hive mentality) :teethhappy:

 

1. That would be false reporting as its not an illegal mod (and a waste of time anyway as UC reports do nothing precisely because people abused them in the way you suggested)

 

2. It doesn't give a gross advantage, having a fully upgraded crew compared to a 75% one is for example going to have a way bigger impact on your performance than this mod ever would, it's a minor advantage at best because it's very situational. 



Venom7000 #88 Posted 25 November 2019 - 05:00 PM

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View PostFlicka, on 25 November 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

And what if I told you there is an option...in vanilla client...where you can change your view angle, giving you more information on your screen about your surroundings then the average Joe.

 

This increased view does give you the advantage, but the limiting factor was the engine back in the day, and its a relic.

The zoom out option should be in game, just like the mod, and thats it.

  1. If WG deems the zoom out mod "fair" they should add it to vanila. I agree (even though it takes away from fun of the game and claustrophobic nature of tight city maps and driving a tank in general
  2. FOV slider is different. Its there and everyone can use it. Because some player doesn't bother to check the settings is his problem. WG at least gave it all as an option. Same goes for "server reticle" :)


TANKOPPRESSION #89 Posted 25 November 2019 - 05:17 PM

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zoom out mod could be on their list considering the now banned mods that had to be removed from all mod packs .

The zoom out mod has differnt distances to zoom out 60m 100m 300m 500m in aslains mod pack , at a high distance I found it messes with your game play .

Also there is a zoom in mod .

Why not Try them in aslain mod pack or some others mod pack .

 

 



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View PostVenom7000, on 25 November 2019 - 05:00 PM, said:

  1. If WG deems the zoom out mod "fair" they should add it to vanila. I agree (even though it takes away from fun of the game and claustrophobic nature of tight city maps and driving a tank in general

Just install the friggin' mod and stop whinging ffs.



Venom7000 #91 Posted 25 November 2019 - 06:13 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 25 November 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

Just install the friggin' mod and stop whinging ffs.

Gee that is a brilliant idea. IQ5000 move.
Thanks.
If there was a "accept as solution" option on this forum to close the thread. I would select yours rn. :)
You are just going to have to settle for a like this time. :girl:


Edited by Venom7000, 25 November 2019 - 06:15 PM.


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View Postjabster, on 25 November 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

 

I don’t see how it can be said to clearly be in category 3 (illegal) because whether something is good, or bad, for the game is really rather subjective. I’d assume that WG have ideas of what good/bad in game terms but I’m not sure what it actually is. Gun direction on the mini-map was legal and was then changed to illegal, why the change?

 

Of course this is quite different to whether you personally would like it to be illegal.

you could argue whether the Mod is good or bad for the game and whether it should be in the client; however the ADVANTAGE that it gives is clearly bad for the game.

I don't have a personal opinion about this, but it explains why some tanks are miraculously pointing their gun at me whenever I peek.

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View Posttajj7, on 25 November 2019 - 09:31 AM, said:

I'd argue XVM stats and knowing the ability of almost every player is a much bigger advantage and can be consistently used, but I don;t see threads about that being an illegal mod because it provides an unfair advantage. 

 

I really really hope you are being sarcastic there tajj........



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View Posttajj7, on 25 November 2019 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'd argue XVM stats and knowing the ability of almost every player is a much bigger advantage and can be consistently used, but I don;t see threads about that being an illegal mod because it provides an unfair advantage. 

 

C'mon tajj, we do see those threads and I dare to say that it is the most common mod to be called out for giving an "unfair advantage". Among the greenlighted ones, that is. Not sure if it beats the aimbot fame. 



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 24 November 2019 - 12:38 AM, said:

If its on wgmods.net, then it should be allowed.

Also, I don't really see how this gives any bigger advantage than using the minimap.

 

does minimap show you where the enemy's gun is pointing? No. So there's the advantage.



jabster #95 Posted 26 November 2019 - 09:35 AM

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View PostCaptain_Kremen0, on 26 November 2019 - 07:58 AM, said:

you could argue whether the Mod is good or bad for the game and whether it should be in the client; however the ADVANTAGE that it gives is clearly bad for the game.

I don't have a personal opinion about this, but it explains why some tanks are miraculously pointing their gun at me whenever I peek.

 

The point is that good/bad is really rather subjective and WG’s current view is it’s not bad for the game therefore not illegal. You’ll have to ask them how they came to that conclusion.

 

Take another topical example. WG have talked before about the problem with XVM stats in-game before and are now finally doing something about it yet it’s still legal. 



mpf1959 #96 Posted 26 November 2019 - 12:46 PM

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I tried it, and removed it after 1 day, I didn't like it at all, but, horses for courses!

Venom7000 #97 Posted 22 January 2020 - 03:55 PM

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To any of you pancakes who say that the mod doesnt offer any advantage.... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPsUHP27G_A

 

From 10:36 - 10:40

Enjoy. (he saw a tank behind a mountain and where they point there gun). Not eve arty can zoom out this much :D

 



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Should be banned gives a huge adavbtage over vanilla.

And Wg got to make up there mind....for everyone or for no one.

 



Flicka #99 Posted 22 January 2020 - 04:45 PM

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Well, server reticle gives a huge advantage over vanilla.

Going into options, understanding them, and changing them to improve your gameplay gives a huge advantage.

And yet, around 50% players never went into options

So, in some cases vanilla gives a huge advantage over vanilla...



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View PostFlicka, on 22 January 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Well, server reticle gives a huge advantage over vanilla.

Going into options, understanding them, and changing them to improve your gameplay gives a huge advantage.

And yet, around 50% players never went into options

So, in some cases vanilla gives a huge advantage over vanilla...



Yes but its totally different scenarios.

You dont have option for "super zoom" in vanilla. It doesnt exist in the settings.
Server reticle?
Yes you have option for server reticle.

WG is doing a bad job of notifying the new players of this. They have hundreds of stupid loading screen tips with zero good info. Never once I saw mention of server reticle

But despite the horrid WG introduction of new players to its settings and game. The server reticle is there for the more curious of us who love going in to the settings.


Super zoom is a mod. There is nothing that vanilla player can do about it.


Edited by Venom7000, 22 January 2020 - 04:59 PM.






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