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blockypanzer #1 Posted 28 November 2019 - 11:27 AM

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I am not trying to be ungrateful, because the style and the soft stat buffs vs the regular hellcat are awesome, and this year's rewards have been great.

 

However.... Come on, it has to be joke, right? Move a tier 6 up to tier 7 and NERF the penetration? Seriously? APCR is 210 vs 243 on the regular Hellcat. 243 lets you pen tier 8 heavies most of the time, if you aim correctly. 210 struggles vs some tier 7 heavies, let alone tier 8 and 9. There are medium tanks that can nearly ignore 210 pen at tier 8! The lack of penetration is excruciating, especially as 0.34 isn't good enough accuracy to weak-spot snipe, and 370 view range is no better than the tier 6 so a scouting role isn't more viable either. 

 

The Super Hellkitty needs one of two things. Either give it preferential MM (which I know WG won't ever do) or give it the same APCR as the regular one at tier 6, just for the sake of logic, but also so these things don't all have sub 40% winrates....



ValkyrionX #2 Posted 28 November 2019 - 11:30 AM

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I was also surprised by the fact that the special ammunition of the tier 7 version has a lower penetration than those available for the tier 6.

However, not having played it yet, I cannot confirm that this vehicle needs a buff for this ammunition and its penetration.

As soon as I have played it I will come back to tell you what I really think based on my experience.



8126Jakobsson #3 Posted 28 November 2019 - 11:34 AM

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The crappy pen and low ammo capacity makes for one expensive tank. :harp:

tumppi776 #4 Posted 28 November 2019 - 11:37 AM

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havent played a game yet on it. But i think ur right. 167mm pen for T7 TD - at least its not OP :trollface:

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View PostValkyrionX, on 28 November 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

I was also surprised by the fact that the special ammunition of the tier 7 version has a lower penetration than those available for the tier 6.

However, not having played it yet, I cannot confirm that this vehicle needs a buff for this ammunition and its penetration.

As soon as I have played it I will come back to tell you what I really think based on my experience.

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You understand stats tho?

You are experienced at the game?

 

If i could see this tank was under-powered from the super-test info - don't know how WG couldn't see it?



tajj7 #6 Posted 28 November 2019 - 11:48 AM

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It has less premium pen that all but two tier 6 TDs I believe, makes no sense, it's like they expect it to be played like a medium, with bad view range, slow turret traverse and bad dispersion.

 

Only the limited MM tier 7 TDs and ISU-122s have worse premium penetration, pretty much all the others have 240-250 premium pen. 

 

It also has the worst standard pen of all the tier 7 TDs aside the E25, which has limited. (and loads of other advantages)

 

Also it's premium round is the exact same round as the tier 6 Hellcat, the HVAP M304, but for some reason on the Super Hellcat it has 34mm less penetration and slower shell velocity, it's like the tank got a dodgy batch of ammo from the factory. 


Edited by tajj7, 28 November 2019 - 11:52 AM.


feoffle3 #7 Posted 28 November 2019 - 11:55 AM

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I'll refuse to be ungrateful for a free tank, but it does seem extremely odd that the penetration values are so low.

 

I went into tanks.gg to look at it compared to some other Tier 7 TDs, just to make sure I'm not being unreasonable, it's very bad in comparison.

 

 



xx984 #8 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:01 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 28 November 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

It has less premium pen that all but two tier 6 TDs I believe, makes no sense, it's like they expect it to be played like a medium, with bad view range, slow turret traverse and bad dispersion.

 

Only the limited MM tier 7 TDs and ISU-122s have worse premium penetration, pretty much all the others have 240-250 premium pen. 

 

It also has the worst standard pen of all the tier 7 TDs aside the E25, which has limited. (and loads of other advantages)

 

Also it's premium round is the exact same round as the tier 6 Hellcat, the HVAP M304, but for some reason on the Super Hellcat it has 34mm less penetration and slower shell velocity, it's like the tank got a dodgy batch of ammo from the factory. 

Isu122s has 217 pen IIRC, so even that is better



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blockypanzer #10 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:05 PM

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Just had my 7th tier 9 game (out of eight battles) and even in a perfect flanking position with APCR loaded I couldn't pen any of the tier 8 and 9s. it was literally a red or at best orange marker on the sides of tier 8 and 8 tanks with APCR. This is A JOKE, Wargaming. The tank desperately needs preferential MM or the better HVAP round. Nearly EVERY game is throwing me into tier 9. I have had only a single non-tier 9 game all morning in the thing. FIX IT, or the "best" reward you have ever given will go down as the worst very quickly

 



matwe #11 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:06 PM

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It need a standard and gold pen buff and a HUGE BUFF on the gun handling while moving .

Nothing more


Edited by matwe, 28 November 2019 - 12:07 PM.


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Yeah 167mm pen on a Tier 7 isn't really cutting it, never mind the 210mm pen on premium ammo for a tank that will frequently see Tier 9 tanks.

 

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View Postxx984, on 28 November 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

Isu122s has 217 pen IIRC, so even that is better

 

Yeh my bad, so actually on BOTH rounds only the E25 has worse pen, all the other tier 7 TDs have more pen on standard and premium rounds, including the limited-MM SU-122-44  and the St. Emil doesn't have a premium round, but has higher standard pen than the Super Hellcat's 210 premium round. 

 

The AC-46, AT-7, Challenger, Ikv 90 (has 210 AP so better than 210 APCR), St. EMil, SU-100M1, and M56 Scorpion all have standard rounds with higher pen than the Super Hellcat's premium pen. 


Edited by tajj7, 28 November 2019 - 12:11 PM.


barison1 #14 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:13 PM

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altough i havent played it yet so might be wrong on it but from stats it looks like to compete for the worst t7 td spot against amx ac 46

 

guess the MoE reqs will be piss poor, same for top dmg in hall o fame



shikaka9 #15 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:17 PM

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blockypanzer #16 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:33 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 28 November 2019 - 11:05 AM, said:

Yeah, that was a tier 8 game, with a good team. I have had two good tier 8 games too. However I've also had seven tier 9 games with teams who lost in under 5 minutes. In those games I could not pen ANYTHING top tier even when i had flanking shots and APCR loaded. I love the playstyle of fast glass cannons which rely on camo and map awareness. I am well suited to the tank, and I'm telling you, it needs pref MM or a pen buff



24doom24 #17 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:36 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 28 November 2019 - 11:05 AM, said:

I had pretty much the same damage in a tier 9 game in my first game. I really like the tank. The mobility is lovely. So fun shredding apart progettos with 54% stationary camo and 460m view range.



TungstenHitman #18 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:38 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 28 November 2019 - 11:05 AM, said:

 

1,700 dmg at tier7 for an ace, epic bro.

 

View PostCobra6, on 28 November 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

Yeah 167mm pen on a Tier 7 isn't really cutting it, never mind the 210mm pen on premium ammo for a tank that will frequently see Tier 9 tanks.

 

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As is the gripe of many a tier7 tank. In fact, plenty of T7 with a lot worse pen and alpha than that sadly. 



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View Posttajj7, on 28 November 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

 

Yeh my bad, so actually on BOTH rounds only the E25 has worse pen, all the other tier 7 TDs have more pen on standard and premium rounds, including the limited-MM SU-122-44  and the St. Emil doesn't have a premium round, but has higher standard pen than the Super Hellcat's 210 premium round. 

 

The AC-46, AT-7, Challenger, Ikv 90 (has 210 AP so better than 210 APCR), St. EMil, SU-100M1, and M56 Scorpion all have standard rounds with higher pen than the Super Hellcat's premium pen. 

SU-122-44 doesn't have preferential matchmaking.



mcjrosa #20 Posted 28 November 2019 - 12:43 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 28 November 2019 - 12:05 PM, said:

So Mastery game with premium account and you earned 30k credits. 

Lets face it, it is NOT a premium tank.






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