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Lanrefni #1 Posted 29 November 2019 - 04:09 PM

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is it worthwhile to grinding everything with the stock gun, or should I just use free exp?

NekoPuffer_PPP #2 Posted 29 November 2019 - 04:55 PM

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If you have everything else unlocked, mainly the turret, then the 90mm gun is veeery nice. We're talking 4 seconds reload with 240 alpha. It's like the E50's 90mm. A DPM monster.

 

Get everything else if you haven't already, and just grind the top gun with the 90mm, it's good fun.



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I'm a relatively poor player at every tank in my garage, but I enjoyed the 61 with the stock gun quite a lot with its high rate of fire and reasonable pen.  If I may suggest, just try a couple of games with the stock gun and see how you get on.

 

I didn't free xp the 105 and was quite happy not to.

 

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Balc0ra #4 Posted 29 November 2019 - 05:01 PM

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Stock grind on it is not that bad. You have low pen much like the T-54 and E50, but like the E50 you also get DPM. So you can smack most targets 2-3 times when they reload, as mine had 3400 DPM with that gun. That's a 100 less them my E50 with the L100 gun. So if you can make that work, save the free XP.

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Even though penetration and dpm are good with the stock gun, I would just free XP the top gun, since 240 alpha imo just doesn't cut it. But that's because I not grind many tanks, so have plenty of ftee XP.

Nishi_Kinuyo #6 Posted 29 November 2019 - 07:10 PM

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Think the tank was quite grindable with the stock 90mm...

Might need a bit more gold though.

Been a while since I used the 90mm though.



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The 90mm is workable, but don't expect much from the tank when it's fully upgraded as it's one of the worst T9 tanks, in my opinion at least :)

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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 29 November 2019 - 07:18 PM, said:

The 90mm is workable, but don't expect much from the tank when it's fully upgraded as it's one of the worst T9 tanks, in my opinion at least :)


Did you play the buffed version? It's really underrated tank - probably the best of tier 9 DPM monsters. Patton doesn't have pen, AMX is derpy and doesn't have 10 degrees of gun depression, T54 has no pen and alpha, 430V2 - no comments... Type 61 combines the best: ~2.7k DPM, 258 mm of pen, good gun handling, decent accuracy, alpha right in the middle of all tier 9 meds (enough to track with one shot and keep most enemies tracked). True jack of all trades.

The only downside - low speed, but it's still ~20% faster on medium terrain than Patton so you drive at your max speed pretty much all the time (similar to pre-buff Cent 7/1).

Leo PTA is still better overall but dunno what's there to hate about Type 61.



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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 29 November 2019 - 07:58 PM, said:


Did you play the buffed version? It's really underrated tank - probably the best of tier 9 DPM monsters. Patton doesn't have pen, AMX is derpy and doesn't have 10 degrees of gun depression, T54 has no pen and alpha, 430V2 - no comments... Type 61 combines the best: ~2.7k DPM, 258 mm of pen, good gun handling, decent accuracy, alpha right in the middle of all tier 9 meds (enough to track with one shot and keep most enemies tracked). True jack of all trades.

The only downside - low speed, but it's still ~20% faster on medium terrain than Patton so you drive at your max speed pretty much all the time (similar to pre-buff Cent 7/1).

Leo PTA is still better overall but dunno what's there to hate about Type 61.

 

I have yes, I'm still busy with grinding through it and it is one of the few tanks in the game I truly dislike :mellow:



Lanrefni #10 Posted 30 November 2019 - 06:14 PM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 29 November 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

If you have everything else unlocked, mainly the turret, then the 90mm gun is veeery nice. We're talking 4 seconds reload with 240 alpha. It's like the E50's 90mm. A DPM monster.

 

Get everything else if you haven't already, and just grind the top gun with the 90mm, it's good fun.

The only DPM monster is the K-91.

DPM will not matter if you are being outtraded shot-for-shot.

 

View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 29 November 2019 - 06:33 PM, said:

, since 240 alpha imo just doesn't cut it. 

True.

View PostTsundereWaffle, on 29 November 2019 - 08:18 PM, said:

The 90mm is workable, but don't expect much from the tank when it's fully upgraded as it's one of the worst T9 tanks, in my opinion at least :)

Well I have to respectfully disagree, because WZ-120 is worse.

 

Regardless,I could stand the crap with the stock,so I had to free-exp the 105mm Rifled Gun.

 

as a side-note can someone tell me what does the whole ''rifled'' mean?



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View PostlnfernaI, on 30 November 2019 - 05:14 PM, said:

as a side-note can someone tell me what does the whole ''rifled'' mean?

Grooves in the gun barrel, iirc it spins the shell which helps stabilise it. 
Smoothbore gun for comparison

 



Lanrefni #12 Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:35 PM

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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 30 November 2019 - 07:55 PM, said:

Smoothbore gun for comparison

 

I am more familiar with these.

Thanks for the explanation.



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View PostlnfernaI, on 30 November 2019 - 07:35 PM, said:

I am more familiar with these.

Thanks for the explanation.

It was dropped halfway through the cold war because modern munitions don't benefit from the stabilising spin anymore, or are outright hindered in performance due to it.

APFSDS gets zero benefit from being spun while in the barrel since it discards the outer casing once it leaves the barrel after which it deploys its own fins for stabilising effect.

APFSDS, btw, is also the reasons why modern tanks don't employ muzzle brakes anymore; the bits and pieces that are discarded as it leaves the barrel could get stuck in the muzzle brake and cause all sorts of problems.

HEAT on the other hand is outright hindered by being spun around, because the superheated metal stream they eject when near the target will lose coherency faster if it is spinning around.



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View PostlnfernaI, on 30 November 2019 - 06:14 PM, said:

Well I have to respectfully disagree, because WZ-120 is worse.

 

That's why I said one of the worst :). I bought the WZ-120 yesterday and so far it is definitively worse when stock, but I do have a feeling that I will probably enjoy it more once it's more upgraded.



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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 01 December 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

 

That's why I said one of the worst :). I bought the WZ-120 yesterday and so far it is definitively worse when stock, but I do have a feeling that I will probably enjoy it more once it's more upgraded.

Believe me, you won't. For the 440 alpha, you get absolutely nothing else, maybe some mediocre mobility.

121 is far better, but pales to the idiot-proof Obj.430FU.



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View PostlnfernaI, on 01 December 2019 - 07:27 PM, said:

Believe me, you won't. For the 440 alpha, you get absolutely nothing else, maybe some mediocre mobility.

121 is far better, but pales to the idiot-proof Obj.430FU.

 

I'll probably like it, so far the only issue I have with it is the gun handling on the first gun compared to the damage, pen and dpm. Other than that I'm enjoying it so I wont believe you for now, if you don't mind ;)



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I liked WZ-120 much more than Type 61. What kills Type 61 for me is the lack of turret armour and that tumor on the top of the turret. Simply, I just can't see the point of having good gun depression if you have zero turret armour - especially with that huge cupola. This is why I don't really like UDES 14 5 either.

So all-in-all, it has nice DPM with the 90mm, the 105 is more punchy but this tank has absolute zero fear-factor, unlike WZ with the Thor's hammer. 


Edited by Gardar7, 02 December 2019 - 10:38 AM.


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View PostGardar7, on 02 December 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

I liked WZ-120 much more than Type 61. What kills Type 61 for me is the lack of turret armour and that tumor on the top of the turret. Simply, I just can't see the point of having good gun depression if you have zero turret armour - especially with that huge cupola. 

So all-in-all, it has nice DPM with the 90mm, the 105 is more punchy but this tank has absolute zero fear-factor, unlike WZ with the Thor's hammer. 

The mantlet bounces shots at times. Relying on armor on any medium is a mistake by itself, unless that particular tank has an emphasis on defense capability.

Nobody fears the WZ-120, because... why would someone fear a tank that is arguably one of the worst tier-for-tier in the game?

 

I hate the cupola as well, as it makes it more difficult to play hulldown. 

It have DPM with the stock, but hardly matters, if someone simply outtrades you shot-for-shot.



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I ground Cent7/1, M46 Patton and Type-61 this year, and I'd consider the 61 the best of the three. As I only fire standard ammo, the Patton is the worst with terrible pen and bad shell velocity (with gold it gets similar to the other twos standard...). The Cent falls a bit behind with 25% worse DPM, but it slightly compensates with turret armor.

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View PostlnfernaI, on 02 December 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

The mantlet bounces shots at times. Relying on armor on any medium is a mistake by itself, unless that particular tank has an emphasis on defense capability.

Nobody fears the WZ-120, because... why would someone fear a tank that is arguably one of the worst tier-for-tier in the game?

 

I hate the cupola as well, as it makes it more difficult to play hulldown. 

It have DPM with the stock, but hardly matters, if someone simply outtrades you shot-for-shot.

I know that meds are not about armour, but I like to rely on the turret armour, even in a medium. For example WZ-120/T-34-3, 121, T-54, Centurion, FV4202. I think it is much more relaxing to play if you know that you won't be doomed immediately if you just look out from behind a hill or some cover. 
Maybe nowadays WZ-120 doesn't have any fear-factor but back then, in 2012 or 2013 (when I played with it) that 440 alpha and good pen was a reason to fear of.

 







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