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X_MDgamer_X #1 Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:07 AM

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Dear WG, I just want to know one thing and one thing only.........does your premium tanks come with a feature that completely ignores armor?????

just tell us, we want to know the truth so we can take it in consideration in future battles.....

 

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Argedeava #2 Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:50 AM

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Wg never proved the mechanics of the game work as advertised. Game just emulates that and uses a simple % for distant shoots.

falcon_96 #3 Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:57 AM

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Could be a mod error dude, i haven't used the battle hits mode for some time, but when i used it sometimes it showed some quite absurd pens( like turret penetrations straight through the length of the gun barrel), either he hit your lower plate or the shell hit a bit higher, pen-d the tracks and then overmatched the weak plate above the tracks, if he was sitting a bit lower than you. Because with the shot the mod shows, he only hit the tracks, no hitbox there.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #4 Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:05 AM

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View PostArgedeava, on 30 November 2019 - 07:50 AM, said:

Wg never proved the mechanics of the game work as advertised. Game just emulates that and uses a simple % for distant shoots.

 

Nobody has ever proved the game mechanics do not work as advertised. 



X_MDgamer_X #5 Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:06 AM

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View Postfalcon_96, on 30 November 2019 - 07:57 AM, said:

Could be a mod error dude, i haven't used the battle hits mode for some time, but when i used it sometimes it showed some quite absurd pens( like turret penetrations straight through the length of the gun barrel), either he hit your lower plate or the shell hit a bit higher, pen-d the tracks and then overmatched the weak plate above the tracks, if he was sitting a bit lower than you. Because with the shot the mod shows, he only hit the tracks, no hitbox there.

nope, the enemy tank was perfectly in front of me, and i was sidescraping showing only my tracks to bait him into shooting it......then suddenly a pen, i just went like "WTF?! how's that possible??? i was showing only my tracks" then processed to open up the battle hits mod to confirm it, bow and behold.....It was exactly as i saw it in mid-battle screen

 

im telling u man, weird things happen in this game



PointZero #6 Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:14 AM

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View PostX_MDgamer_X, on 30 November 2019 - 09:07 AM, said:

we want to know the truth so we can take it in consideration in future battles.....

 

Lucky hit on the 40mm underplate (the thin strip under your "shoulders" ) with a 130mm gun

 

edit: the SU-130PM is lower than your tank so it just needs to get lucky with hitting that 40mm strip at any angle and it will overmatch


Edited by PointZero, 30 November 2019 - 08:21 AM.


X_MDgamer_X #7 Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:16 AM

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Doubling down on the this stupid bug or error or whatever you call it....

https://ibb.co/QvwxWMJ

https://ibb.co/Rb7WZc1

 

Thats the armor profile on the E75 from the point of penetration:

https://ibb.co/N1Ggt2J



NUKLEAR_SLUG #8 Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:23 AM

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View PostX_MDgamer_X, on 30 November 2019 - 08:16 AM, said:

Doubling down on the this stupid bug or error or whatever you call it....

https://ibb.co/QvwxWMJ

https://ibb.co/Rb7WZc1

 

Thats the armor profile on the E75 from the point of penetration:

https://ibb.co/N1Ggt2J

 

Pointzero called it, you've got a 40mm underplate directly above your tracks where the sides flare out (bright blue on your pic).

 

130mm gun will overmatch that so the SU shot went into your tracks at a shallow angle and hit and overmatched the 40mm underplate somewhere along your side. 



UrQuan #9 Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:42 AM

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View PostPointZero, on 30 November 2019 - 08:14 AM, said:

 

Lucky hit on the 40mm underplate (the thin strip under your "shoulders" ) with a 130mm gun

 

edit: the SU-130PM is lower than your tank so it just needs to get lucky with hitting that 40mm strip at any angle and it will overmatch

 

This really. OP, instead of going on a rant & claim 'bug', you could have asked what happened. Battle hit models only show where the first shell hit (as noted in another trhead as well) not where the shell hits next after it penned the first layer of armor.

 

The E75 hull model (and all hull models that are similar like E-50, Lowe, Jagdtiger (88), Tiger (II) etc) all share this same overmatch weakspot above the tracks. The hull above the tracks is rather thin so a hit from a tank with large caliber gun on slightly lower ground can damage you through the tracks. Due to the overmatch mechanism he doesn't even need to have high pen. Note this kind of shot works best when shooting AP / APCR.

 

Edit: 

Your image of the E75 armor profile: Note the light blue strip of armor; in tanks.GG it means 'Armor can be overmatched'

 


Edited by UrQuan, 30 November 2019 - 09:00 AM.


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View PostPointZero, on 30 November 2019 - 08:14 AM, said:

 

Lucky hit on the 40mm underplate (the thin strip under your "shoulders" ) with a 130mm gun

 

edit: the SU-130PM is lower than your tank so it just needs to get lucky with hitting that 40mm strip at any angle and it will overmatch


This. 122mm guns can also overmatch this area during sidescraping (even when you hide the front). Doesn't happen often though.







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