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CrapButHappy #1 Posted 02 December 2019 - 02:19 AM

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Did someone copy and paste the requirements for levels 5 & 6, and was that a copy from 6 to 5? Why is there a jump from 17k to 30k and then the next level is identical with the following level only 32k?

 

Come on WG, own up, it's a *edited* right? If not then you are taking the *edited* !!!!

 

These grinds are bad enough and most of us will spend our hard earned money to buy the tank whatever discount we achieve, but to create a difficulty that will be hard for the sub 50% players to reach above 40% is just plain mean. As if you don't earn enough money from the player base. At least give the lower skilled players an easier time to save a few pounds/dollars/euros more than they can with these levels of requirements.

 

'Tis the season to be generous' tra la la la la la la la la!


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Stevies_Team #2 Posted 02 December 2019 - 02:44 AM

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There was a nice one tonite, a Lowe for 21 bananas

 

I think it was a typo because it didn't stay up long



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You know, there is always the option to not buy it if you don't like the discount you end up at. WG don't have a gun to your head. 

kaneloon #4 Posted 02 December 2019 - 03:57 AM

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Yeah but lots of people are collectors and will buy it at the end.

Those requirements are a bit crazy.



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View PostStevies_Team, on 02 December 2019 - 02:44 AM, said:

 

I think it was a typo because it didn't stay up long

...That must be why my GF keeps insisting I should hire a spellchecker... :confused:



barison1 #6 Posted 02 December 2019 - 06:57 AM

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if you dont like it why not stop playing then? previous marathons i got 80-100% discount while playing casually and not caring about it much, doesnt seem that hard. 5eur for a tier 8 prem, dont see me complaining, same cost as 2 beers at a pub you drink away pretty quick

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View Postkaneloon, on 02 December 2019 - 02:57 AM, said:

Yeah but lots of people are collectors and will buy it at the end.

Those requirements are a bit crazy.

The problem is that players will see this marathon as a something for nothing reward. By nothing, I mean financially. The problem is that they are giving up the most precious thing in the world: Time.

 

I am fortunate. I have a job. A pretty well paid job as it happens. I could work one shift of overtime and afford at least three tier VIII Premium tanks. Possibly more with the Advent discounts. In all likelihood, that 12 hours would be far less stressful than the time put into grinding the Renegade for "nothing".



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View PostPowJay, on 02 December 2019 - 08:34 AM, said:

The problem is that players will see this marathon as a something for nothing reward. By nothing, I mean financially. The problem is that they are giving up the most precious thing in the world: Time.

 

I am fortunate. I have a job. A pretty well paid job as it happens. I could work one shift of overtime and afford at least three tier VIII Premium tanks. Possibly more with the Advent discounts. In all likelihood, that 12 hours would be far less stressful than the time put into grinding the Renegade for "nothing".

 

+1

 

Play as you would normally and see how much discount you accrue, then either decide to buy (or not). There is no coercion :)



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View PostCrapButHappy, on 02 December 2019 - 02:19 AM, said:

Did someone copy and paste the requirements for levels 5 & 6, and was that a copy from 6 to 5? Why is there a jump from 17k to 30k and then the next level is identical with the following level only 32k?

 

Come on WG, own up, it's a *edited* right? If not then you are taking the *edited* !!!!

 

So you would be less upset if they had 34K on 5 and 68K on 6 to make the jump equal vs 4 to 5? That's all I got out that.

 

View PostCrapButHappy, on 02 December 2019 - 02:19 AM, said:

'Tis the season to be generous' tra la la la la la la la la!

 

Did not like the free Hellcat? Then again you can get a tier 8 for 50 or 80% off by just playing. Or is that bad too?


Edited by Balc0ra, 02 December 2019 - 09:41 AM.


CrapButHappy #10 Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:59 PM

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Some of you seem to have missed the point!

 

I have already said 'we will buy the tank anyway' but what about the new players who WG want to remain loyal customers and spend some cash, if they feel as if it's an impossible ask to get to level 5 they won't bother playing the game in the future because all they will see is that the better players get the 'best' tanks and they get mashed.

 

Remember those days when you were new? Base XP was low, very low because you didn't know how to play the game, didn't know where to go on the maps, killed early on and lucky to get 100xp at the end of each game? Those are the players I was actually referring to.

 

I appreciate the free tanks, I even spend my hard earned cash buying others. I probably spent three years playing and wondering why it was impossible to get anywhere near a free or cheap tank. Then I started to get a little better at the game and earned some nice stuff. Wouldn't it be nice if the newer players could earn some of that earlier and hopefully remain with the game long enough to prevent its slow demise. I'm not saying it's dying, I'll let others do that, but without new blood it's inevitable.



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View Postbarison1, on 02 December 2019 - 05:57 AM, said:

if you dont like it why not stop playing then? previous marathons i got 80-100% discount while playing casually and not caring about it much, doesnt seem that hard. 5eur for a tier 8 prem, dont see me complaining, same cost as 2 beers at a pub you drink away pretty quick

 well you probably did it not in a xp way, while most player will go through xp and that is a long way.



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View Postadameitas, on 03 December 2019 - 12:34 PM, said:

 well you probably did it not in a xp way, while most player will go through xp and that is a long way.

i did all marathons the xp way as i dont want to be locked to tier x, a tier i dont care a whole lot about, mostly just playing t5-9 for marks. while just grinding those tanks i gather all the xp, just checking out progress towards end of marathon how far i came, pretty relaxing


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CrapButHappy #13 Posted 03 December 2019 - 01:11 PM

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Barison - the fact that you are a unicum explains your lack of understanding how difficult the grinds are for the majority of players. Great that you can casually get to 80% but for new players 30% is a dream come true.

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View PostCrapButHappy, on 03 December 2019 - 01:11 PM, said:

Barison - the fact that you are a unicum explains your lack of understanding how difficult the grinds are for the majority of players. Great that you can casually get to 80% but for new players 30% is a dream come true.

 

Playing casual I will probably get to 70% if I really try possibly just get to 90% at which point I would consider spending the small amount but to get to 100% and get it for free would mean giving up my life for 10 days for what ????

 

A pile of poxy pixels !

 

Wargamming are making these mission marathons harder and harder and the only reason I see is they want more and more to have to spend more and more to get the tank. Well not falling for that one so my wallet unless I get to 80% is guranteed to stay in my pocket, if I get 80% I might consider it but really it is still pretty doubtful i will spend that on it. if I reached 90% I would most likely spend that little bit. Now how many other players are like me ? Does this attitude by wargamming really benefit them ? If I pushed for the tank I would end up taking a week or more break from the game so IMO this does not benefit wargamming marathons should be about increasing player numbers over the long term.



barison1 #15 Posted 03 December 2019 - 02:50 PM

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View PostCrapButHappy, on 03 December 2019 - 01:11 PM, said:

Barison - the fact that you are a unicum explains your lack of understanding how difficult the grinds are for the majority of players. Great that you can casually get to 80% but for new players 30% is a dream come true.

how does being a unicum has to do with unable to know about how grinds are for the majority? i was also a mediocre player once, its not like i was instant unicum

 

with pretty casual play and not caring i get 80-100% discount, grinding it fully xp wise. not even playing every day as half of the time i dont feel like playing after work. sure i do better on avg and thus higher base xp but if any mediocre player puts in some effort he should be able to achieve the same. getting just 30% off makes me wonder if you play more than 5 games a day


Edited by barison1, 03 December 2019 - 02:52 PM.


m1x_angelico #16 Posted 03 December 2019 - 05:02 PM

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Exaggerated sense of entitlement depicted in OP's post will be the end of modern civilization. People wanting something for nothing in return, because they think they are entitled to it.

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View Postm1x_angelico, on 03 December 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

Exaggerated sense of entitlement depicted in OP's post will be the end of modern civilization. People wanting something for nothing in return, because they think they are entitled to it.

 

No sense of entitlement here, just a sense of fairness for our newer players.

 

View Postbarison1, on 03 December 2019 - 01:50 PM, said:

how does being a unicum has to do with unable to know about how grinds are for the majority? i was also a mediocre player once, its not like i was instant unicum

 

with pretty casual play and not caring i get 80-100% discount, grinding it fully xp wise. not even playing every day as half of the time i dont feel like playing after work. sure i do better on avg and thus higher base xp but if any mediocre player puts in some effort he should be able to achieve the same. getting just 30% off makes me wonder if you play more than 5 games a day

 

 

I expect to get to 70% with just 20 games a day and I will buy the tank. I know QB is not everyones favourite (me included) but even he has pointed out that this grind has almost doubled the requirement to get a full discount compared to last year!

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 02 December 2019 - 08:40 AM, said:

 

So you would be less upset if they had 34K on 5 and 68K on 6 to make the jump equal vs 4 to 5? That's all I got out that.

 

No, I would have thought the logical steps might have been 17k level IV, 23k V, 28k VI and then the 32k @ VII. Did you see how I did that? Logic.



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View PostCrapButHappy, on 03 December 2019 - 07:02 PM, said:

 

 

 

No, I would have thought the logical steps might have been 17k level IV, 23k V, 28k VI and then the 32k @ VII. Did you see how I did that? Logic.

Logic? Not that I care much either way, but in your distribution the difference between the levels grows smaller in that interval, whereas in the rest of the marathon the difference between levels grows bigger as you go up. That seems illogical to me.



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View PostStevies_Team, on 02 December 2019 - 02:44 AM, said:

There was a nice one tonite, a Lowe for 21 bananas

 

I think it was a typo because it didn't stay up long

Damn I missed that one, giving up for now winrate plummeting

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View Postbarison1, on 03 December 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

how does being a unicum has to do with unable to know about how grinds are for the majority? i was also a mediocre player once, its not like i was instant unicum

 

with pretty casual play and not caring i get 80-100% discount, grinding it fully xp wise. not even playing every day as half of the time i dont feel like playing after work. sure i do better on avg and thus higher base xp but if any mediocre player puts in some effort he should be able to achieve the same. getting just 30% off makes me wonder if you play more than 5 games a day

Well i just reached the 1st level of discount, that tumour on top though makes it seem weak.



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View PostThorgrimBrenadim, on 03 December 2019 - 12:29 PM, said:

Wargamming are making these mission marathons harder and harder and the only reason I see is they want more and more to have to spend more and more to get the tank. Well not falling for that one so my wallet unless I get to 80% is guranteed to stay in my pocket, if I get 80% I might consider it but really it is still pretty doubtful i will spend that on it. if I reached 90% I would most likely spend that little bit. Now how many other players are like me ? Does this attitude by wargamming really benefit them ? If I pushed for the tank I would end up taking a week or more break from the game so IMO this does not benefit wargamming marathons should be about increasing player numbers over the long term.

 

Congrats for falling precisely for that one.

 

251k total base xp. Do you really think leaving 40k and 50k for the last stages is a coincidence? Getting to stage 8 equals 16.1k on average, daily. People that play regularly will get there quite easily. Once there, they'll reason it as "I did so much and I got this close, plus it's a tier 8 premium for 12 euros, no biggie". Multiply that for thousands of people.

 

Stage 9 and 10 is for people to pay with time, it was never free.






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