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Poulakiou #1 Posted 02 December 2019 - 12:38 PM

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Why does every heavy tank of the game has a gun with 300-340 penetration premium ammo and this tank has only 290? So in other words, why can every other heavy tank penetrate this tank, and this tank can't penetrate every other heavy tank? (talking about the turrets)
 

Example: A 290 penetration gun can't penetrate a 330 armor turret on a obj 705A, but obj 705A can penetrate every frontal spot of type 5 heavy tank with its 317 penetration gun.



Drone81 #2 Posted 02 December 2019 - 12:46 PM

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you seem to ignore the fact that a Type 5 Heavy only shoots High Explosives (HE) and those rounds never have high penetration values

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Because Type 5 is a dumb enough aspect of the game already.

Dava_117 #4 Posted 02 December 2019 - 01:02 PM

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View PostPoulakiou, on 02 December 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

Why does every heavy tank of the game has a gun with 300-340 penetration premium ammo and this tank has only 290? So in other words, why can every other heavy tank penetrate this tank, and this tank can't penetrate every other heavy tank? (talking about the turrets)
 

Example: A 290 penetration gun can't penetrate a 330 armor turret on a obj 705A, but obj 705A can penetrate every frontal spot of type 5 heavy tank with its 317 penetration gun.

 

For 2 main reasons:

1) Type5 premium rounds are AP. They ahve better normalization and hence are comparable to the IS-7 APCR when fighting against sloped armour.

2) Type5 is tall and has -10° of gun depression. With that AP round you can shoot on engine decks, turret tops and so on.

 

Really, why do you even shoot at a 705A turret when you can aim to the big 30mm engine deck in front of it and pen shell after shell?



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Isnt dummy armor not enough?

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For almost 2-3 years poor us we poor ppl trying to hide ourselves and then kaboom 500-600 hp lost without aiming but I was hiding my
Weakspots :( ok then let's hit that thing back
After 3 secs of Aiming at that thing oh no I bounced off at him those were the days when ppl were afraid to face types even maus trying to protect it's allies(usually they care for themselves only) was gone within secs but the e100s learned the lesson from types DAB the 3 key and ending with only 1k dmg and tier8s  and 9s pushing their tier10s to fight that thing until they realized they were pushing a dead tank and those poor tier 8s and 9s rushing to the red line those were the days of massacre.

FOR ALMOST REST OF THE 20YEARS THIS TYPES SHOULD REMAIN THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW SO NO COMPLAINING!!!!

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Poulakiou #7 Posted 02 December 2019 - 02:26 PM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 02 December 2019 - 12:30 PM, said:

For almost 2-3 years poor us we poor ppl trying to hide ourselves and then kaboom 500-600 hp lost without aiming but I was hiding my
Weakspots :( ok then let's hit that thing back
After 3 secs of Aiming at that thing oh no I bounced off at him those were the days when ppl were afraid to face types even maus trying to protect it's allies(usually they care for themselves only) was gone within secs but the e100s learned the lesson from types DAB the 3 key and ending with only 1k dmg and tier8s  and 9s pushing their tier10s to fight that thing until they realized they were pushing a dead tank and those poor tier 8s and 9s rushing to the red line those were the days of massacre.

FOR ALMOST REST OF THE 20YEARS THIS TYPES SHOULD REMAIN THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW SO NO COMPLAINING!!!!

i agree, let them remain as they are, but give me back my 6.200.000 and the 225.000 exp, thanks. Then it's fair.



wEight_Tanker #8 Posted 02 December 2019 - 02:26 PM

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View PostPoulakiou, on 02 December 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

Example: A 290 penetration gun can't penetrate a 330 armor turret on a obj 705A, but obj 705A can penetrate every frontal spot of type 5 heavy tank with its 317 penetration gun.

 

It's called Armor Penetration. If the penetration value is enough combined with many factors, such as RNG, distance and shell type, then it will most likely penetrate the armor.



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View PostGodTank2, on 02 December 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

Isnt dummy armor not enough?

This tank's armor is non existant since everyone is shooting gold at you

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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 02 December 2019 - 01:26 PM, said:

 

It's called Armor Penetration. If the penetration value is enough combined with many factors, such as RNG, distance and shell type, then it will most likely penetrate the armor.

Still what you are saying does not answer the question: Why is type 5 heavy's gun having considerably less penetration than all other heavy tanks?



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I'm not a particularly good player, so I chose the Japan tree to get the Type 5 Heavy simply because it appeared to have the best armour in game.  As has been said, the poorer gun statistics of tier 9 don't really make sense when all the other tier 10 tanks make you a bullet magnet all shooting, sometimes from their cap starting position all the way to your starting position - and the type 5 can't see that far.  Needs better balancing. 

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View PostPoulakiou, on 02 December 2019 - 02:27 PM, said:

Still what you are saying does not answer the question: Why is type 5 heavy's gun having considerably less penetration than all other heavy tanks?

 

I don't know. Because WG wanted it to be? Not sure what this rant is supposed to achieve.



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View PostwEight_Tanker, on 02 December 2019 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

I don't know. Because WG wanted it to be? Not sure what this rant is supposed to achieve.

suppose to achieve change in the penetration of this gun and balancing, bringing it up to the same standards as all other heavies



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View PostPoulakiou, on 02 December 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

Why does every heavy tank of the game has a gun with 300-340 penetration premium ammo and this tank has only 290? So in other words, why can every other heavy tank penetrate this tank, and this tank can't penetrate every other heavy tank? (talking about the turrets)
 

Example: A 290 penetration gun can't penetrate a 330 armor turret on a obj 705A, but obj 705A can penetrate every frontal spot of type 5 heavy tank with its 317 penetration gun.

 

Type 5 Heavy got nerfed. Before, it had powerful HE ammo which was broken. it dealt significant damage to hull down russian tanks and didn't require much skill to shoot so all the unicums were crying about noobs killing them. therefore, type 5 got nerfed, although the armor was simply a matter of shooting HEAT ammo at it, something Obj140 and others excel at. So although type 5 was broken, it would anyway be a victim of gold spammers. But they really didn't have any other choice against type 5.

 

now, it's still broken, but not worth playing anymore because the AP gun is unimpressive and you still get hammered by HEAT spamming [edited]. my advice would be to sell it.

 

at the same time, things like Obj 430U are still in the game. go figure.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 02 December 2019 - 03:11 PM.


apaleytos #14 Posted 02 December 2019 - 04:19 PM

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My initial reaction to HE rebalance was "why you do this WG",but for the overall health of the game i think all derp guns must die.As long as they remove KV2-R gun and refund people.They either go all the way because they care about the game or simply trying to sell some KV2-R...

 

Type 4/5 took one for the team first :trollface:.I stopped grinding my o-ho and abandoned the line.I can live with it.Sumo tanks started a bad era for WoT.


Edited by apaleytos, 02 December 2019 - 04:19 PM.


HassenderZerhacker #15 Posted 02 December 2019 - 04:20 PM

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View Postapaleytos, on 02 December 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

My initial reaction to HE rebalance was "why you do this WG",but for the overall health of the game i think all derp guns must die.As long as they remove KV2-R gun and refund people.They either go all the way because they care about the game or simply trying to sell some KV2-R...

 

Type 4/5 took one for the team first :trollface:.I stopped grinding my o-ho and abandoned the line.I can live with it.Sumo tanks started a bad era for WoT.

 

lol... you talk about KV-2 but there are FV4005 and FV183b which have nothing to do in this game!



apaleytos #16 Posted 02 December 2019 - 04:27 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 December 2019 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

lol... you talk about KV-2 but there are FV4005 and FV183b which have nothing to do in this game!

They die also, along Kv2 :trollface:

 

KV2-R is the only(at least mid tier+) premium tank with derp gun,that why i mentioned it.


Edited by apaleytos, 02 December 2019 - 04:33 PM.


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View PostDrone81, on 02 December 2019 - 11:46 AM, said:

you seem to ignore the fact that a Type 5 Heavy only shoots High Explosives (HE) and those rounds never have high penetration values

 

I'm guessing you're not aware the Type 5 has 2 guns to choose from so your derogatory comment just makes you look silly :child:



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View Postxtrem3x, on 02 December 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

 

I'm guessing you're not aware the Type 5 has 2 guns to choose from so your derogatory comment just makes you look silly :child:

 

well, after the nerf, the Type 5 has 0 workable guns to choose from.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 03 December 2019 - 12:55 PM.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 03 December 2019 - 12:50 PM, said:

 

well, after the nerf, the Type 5 has 0 workable guns to choose from.

Or in other words: it is back as how it was when it was released.

Guess we can wait another 2 years for WG to buff it again.



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The main reason is because a lot of players cried about this tank. The type 5 had its place in the game. tanks like the SC and object 705a(I have both)  had to change their style of play. A Sc will sit on a ridge line and go to work and the obj 705 a sat on a corner and do the same with little to no chance of competing unless you flank them. . When a type 5 rolled up they had to adapt and players didn’t like this so they moaned and the type 5 got nerfed
Let’s be right with the obj 279 and chieftain smashing everything in their path in ranked you would imagine these same players would now be happy to have a counter measure for them.





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