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Kanonen vs Canon. Clash of the 105mm TDs. German or French?


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Poll: Kanonen vs Canon 105 (49 members have cast votes)

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The Better TD Is...

  1. The German (17 votes [32.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.69%

  2. The French (16 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  3. Crayons (19 votes [36.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.54%

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TungstenHitman #1 Posted 03 December 2019 - 01:13 PM

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Was thinking of picking up one of these this month since I fancy a quick sneaky turretless TD with a rail gun playstyle to add to my credit grinders. They both look very similar in many areas.

 

The German seems to have the edge I dare say at glance, in important areas for a mobile high camo sniper TD such as superior top speed, traverse speed, aim time and gun arch which normally translates into being the more versatile and easier to play tank. 

 

The French seems to have the edge in terms of raw acceleration p/w, fully aimed dispersion, dpm via superior reload time, soft stats and possibly what appears to be a bit of frontal armor to bounce the odd shot the German simply won't.

 

What you guys think, go with the Fatherland or viva le France?

 

Btw, this is how they compare in terms of stats and with a layout I would most likely play them as with the top crews I have available to them.

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/kanjpz-105?e=21.18.5&c=-1.-1.10&k=0.2.3.4.6.8.9.11&t=amx-cda-105___5.21.18_-1.-1.13_0.2.3.4.6.8.9.11


Edited by TungstenHitman, 03 December 2019 - 02:48 PM.


samuelx43a #2 Posted 03 December 2019 - 01:37 PM

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I'm going crayons....

 

On topic now, I think that the cda 105 would be the better option. My reasoning is that it is a much smaller target, and it won't suffer from HE spam like the kannonen could



Balc0ra #3 Posted 03 December 2019 - 02:05 PM

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Not played the German, but I loved the CDA 105. Armor can bounce the odd shot, even more so if you back of a ridgeline and get some extreme angles. The armor around the gun is not to bad vs lower tiers, but it won't do much vs most equal or higher tiers. The gun in a support role vs even +2 is not bad. As 260 pen will get the job done. And the shell speed vs wheels helps. Camo with a good crew and no net is 42% on mine, and 8.47 when firing. Tho view range with a good crew and optics might fall short of 440m. It's agile, but bleeds a fair bit of speed on some surfaces. But it's nimble enough to get around fast if needed. Not a bad pick tbh.

 

 

 



Cobra6 #4 Posted 03 December 2019 - 02:09 PM

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Mobility is absolute key in a TD without a turret so German one.

 

You are already artificially handicapping yourself by not having a turret, no need to handicap yourself *AGAIN* by also choosing the one with worse mobility and quite hefty ground resistance values (French).

 

I believe the German one also has better Camo, but correct me if I'm wrong on this.

It would basically make it a large E-25 play style wise.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 03 December 2019 - 02:10 PM.


Hamsterkicker #5 Posted 03 December 2019 - 02:42 PM

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Neither get an E-25 in the Advent Calendar..

 

I had the AMX on rental for some time, quite nice, but tier for tier it is no competition for the E-25, nor for the (in)famous Rhm. Skorpion and the WZ whateverTF TD.

 

If you really want to test yourself get a Jgdtiger 8.8.. Trust me, any tank will look good in comparison to that one.

 



Balc0ra #6 Posted 03 December 2019 - 02:56 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 03 December 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

I believe the German one also has better Camo, but correct me if I'm wrong on this.

It would basically make it a large E-25 play style wise.

 

Cobra 6

 

With all the crew skils, food etc "no camo net" it's 50% on the Geman and 46% on the CDA. Both have 457m with optics. DPM is 107 more on the French, 0.18 faster aim time on the German, Gun arch is 5 degrees wider on the German, dispersion is 0.02 better on the French.

 

The French have more power to weight. 7.46 difference with gear on. But the German has a 15 higher top speed and 2 faster revers speed with 23 better track traverse that is a fairly huge difference. So even with the power to weight difference. The German is way better at getting around indeed. So I suspect if you like the E25 style, the German is better. If you don't want a pure support role TD, then the French can afford to be a bit more aggressive at times.


Edited by Balc0ra, 03 December 2019 - 03:00 PM.


Schepel #7 Posted 03 December 2019 - 02:57 PM

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Only got the KJP. Awkward to use on most maps since the low DPM combined with the low HP really limits your abilities in corridor environments. On some maps you can use its speed and camo, but in my experience, you get one decent game for five really awkward ones. In other words, it takes a lot of skill to get a very mediocre result in absolute terms. I cannot easily recommend it.

Sirebellus #8 Posted 03 December 2019 - 03:32 PM

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105mm ?
no contest... the leFH is the best 105mm tank in the game... maybe not a TD, and maybe in a future update both French and German !

Stevies_Team #9 Posted 03 December 2019 - 03:44 PM

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You summed each up perfectly in your OP

 

AMX is far more nimble when things get hairy but a decent player will do well with both TDs



pihip #10 Posted 03 December 2019 - 04:08 PM

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I vote for the KnJpz 105, while it has a few drawbacks compared to the AMX it has the advantage in speed/mobility and camo, which are very important for a tank like this.

Shame it's bad for using already existing crews, AFAIK the crew slots only match with the Rhm Borsig.

LCpl_Jones #11 Posted 03 December 2019 - 04:32 PM

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arn't they both turds ?

 

go for the RASHA one :child:



vasilinhorulezz #12 Posted 03 December 2019 - 04:38 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 03 December 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

Mobility is absolute key in a TD without a turret so German one.

 

You are already artificially handicapping yourself by not having a turret, no need to handicap yourself *AGAIN* by also choosing the one with worse mobility and quite hefty ground resistance values (French).

 

I believe the German one also has better Camo, but correct me if I'm wrong on this.

It would basically make it a large E-25 play style wise.

 

Cobra 6


It has very good camo, and it's decent even on the move.



Stevies_Team #13 Posted 03 December 2019 - 04:39 PM

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I get the most godawful MM and maps in my CDA

 

It's my bogey tank



samuelx43a #14 Posted 03 December 2019 - 05:14 PM

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Wait wait wait.

 

The german one has better camo?

 

Colour me surprised (then again, I didn't do research, so I probably asked for it)



fwhaatpiraat #15 Posted 03 December 2019 - 06:14 PM

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I looked up their stats: https://tanks.gg/tan...s?cs=kanjpz-105

I would pick the AMX CDA, unless the significantly worse traverse speeds (or cruising speed) would annoy me. The traverse speeds seem a tad better than the STRV S1 that I have, so is seems fine to me. I have no clue about their real straight line speed.



TungstenHitman #16 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:03 PM

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View PostLCpl_Jones, on 03 December 2019 - 03:32 PM, said:

arn't they both turds ?

 

go for the RASHA one :child:

 

Which is exactly why I posted this thread. I'm not particularly bothered about getting either of these TD's I was just strongly considering it but only if they were of the popular opinion of being good. I've no shortage of TD's, SU-130PM, Skorp, WZ so I'd really rather the truth on these two and avoid wasting €30-€40. It's not like I'm looking for anyone to make some sugar coated bs story about how they're amazing TD's if they're actually trash lets put it that way. 



Unicorn_of_Steel #17 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:25 PM

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I prefer playing lights and TD's. I only have the German one and i absolutely love it. It picks up speed really well and reaches its top speed relatively easy. Turning could be better though. Even have done active scouting with it on Sand River. Imo the gun is quite oke. For me its more of a StuG on steroids but without armour. Needless to say i'm a big StuG fan....

 

This tank never lets me down, not even on Himmelsdorf or Ruinberg.

 

You love your WZ 131 G FT's mobility? Then you can't go wrong with the Kan. 105....


Edited by Unicorn_of_Steel, 03 December 2019 - 08:30 PM.


shikaka9 #18 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:26 PM

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Only Crayons

Desyatnik_Pansy #19 Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:34 PM

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From playing both a bit, I enjoy the CDA More though the mobility of the Kanonen is real nice. It's mostly just that the AMX Is mostly not gonna get HE Penned and will even get a trollbounce here or there, which made it IMO Better for carrying.

Gruff_ #20 Posted 03 December 2019 - 09:03 PM

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I have neither but toon mates do, the French cda would be my pick of the two




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